Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

I think I do not play pair + flush draw hands well.

Here's an extreme example.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

UTG ($164.70)
UTG+1 ($72.10)
UTG+2 ($38.35)
MP1 ($175.80)
MP2 ($103.50)
Hero ($147.45)
CO ($187)
Button ($97)
SB ($126.75)
BB ($149.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.
CO is 44/7 after 100+ hands. Fairly passive, but has been making big bets at scary boards in raised pots.
Flop: ($9.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, CO calls $6.

Turn: ($21.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero...

Let's make this a two-parter.

1) What is Hero's BEST action?
2) What is Hero's WORST action?

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

Hey Anacardo,

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I think I do not play pair + flush draw hands well.


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I don't either, so you might want to take my advice with a grain of salt here.

I might very well be a pansy, but I think I would check and call a reasonable sized bet here. If you lead and he raises, it puts you in a really ugly spot. I don't want to make the pot any bigger in a spot where I could be drawing dead, and if a passive player wants to give me a free card, I'm happy to take it. This is a horrible turn card for your hand and this is not a good spot to get your money in or play a big pot.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

Bet flop harder, then check call hope to hit your. If you hit check call/check raise depending on your read on him. If you miss, its time to muck!!!!!!!

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

Try to keep the pot small. Either a smallish lead or check/call a smallish bet. Tread carefully.

Your worst option is building a big pot. In fact, building a big pot is pretty much a bad idea at any point since the stacks are fairly deep and you have a non-nut draw (besides SF, obviously).

Against a shortstack player I will try to check/raise this flop all-in most of the time.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

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Bet flop harder, then check call hope to hit your. If you hit check call/check raise depending on your read on him. If you miss, its time to muck!!!!!!!

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I don't like this. You don't want to build the pot OOP with non-nut draws, even when you have multiple draws like this. You have a ton of outs, but a lot of them could be dirty.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

Can you please explain why you'd want to raise 4x BB preflop with T9s. It's a hand I love myself, but it's a drawing hand! Why raise big? You don't wanna chase people out! What's the point in stealing $1.5 in blinds?

Now on the flop you got a draw and bottom pair. I guess you're behind. Make a choise here - either try and buy it with a pot sized raise, or check it and fold to a reasonable bet.

Now on the turn your in trouble. Avoid getting yourself into this sort of situation because there's not much of a "right" way to play this, in my opinion. Even if you do hit a flush or a straight, you could still be beat.

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Extra comment - this is a flop I feel very comfortable going to the felt with, even deep-stacked. What's your reaction to this feeling?

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

I think on the turn, I check-call a reasonable bet. On the flop, there's not much you can do if he doesn't raise your bet, losing you the chance to 3-bet big or get all-in. Could he be calling with something like an OESD, a T or a J, or something like KT-ish? Since he's passive, I don't think betting accomplishes much, but the problem is what you'd do if he bets big if you check to him.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

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Extra comment - this is a flop I feel very comfortable going to the felt with, even deep-stacked. What's your reaction to this feeling?

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Generally, yeah. Unless my opponent is really tight and comes at me hard, I'm probably not letting this go on the flop.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

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Can you please explain why you'd want to raise 4x BB preflop with T9s. It's a hand I love myself, but it's a drawing hand! Why raise big? You don't wanna chase people out! What's the point in stealing $1.5 in blinds?

Now on the flop you got a draw and bottom pair. I guess you're behind. Make a choise here - either try and buy it with a pot sized raise, or check it and fold to a reasonable bet.

Now on the turn your in trouble. Avoid getting yourself into this sort of situation because there's not much of a "right" way to play this, in my opinion. Even if you do hit a flush or a straight, you could still be beat.

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Probably just for deception and some bluff potential if an ace or blank cards comes up. It migth be harder for an opponent to put him on a possible straigth if he raised preflop.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

Well played, preflop and flop.

BEST turn action: Bet
WORST turn action: Check

You should bet here. The queen scares him if he doesn't have one. If he's on some kind of LAP draw here, the best way, IMO, to control the pot size is to bet about $12. Don't open the door for him to bet at the pot, because given your read it might be uncallable. You are representing a probable trip Q's to villian, keep up the charade as cheaply as possible. You'll get alot of folds here if he doesn't have a Q in his hand. If he raises you, you probably have to let it go. If he calls, and you hit your hand, you just have to be cautious on the river.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

I don't like this against a passive opponent. Even though he is described as making bet bets on scary boards, it's entirely possible that he just had a hand. If he is passive overall, I'd rather check and take my chances that he won't bet big.

I think you bring up a valid point about betting and representing a queen, just not against a passive opponent.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

A good thing about betting here is that you don't mind folding to a raise as much.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

Wow, this is a really interesting hand.

Other than just checking preflop (I know you thought you'd get position.. but it didn't work out like that), I would bet $6 on the flop and go for the checkraise allin (presumably as you did).

On the turn:
Bet 12, fold to any raise. If he calls and you don't improve on the river, obviously let it go. If you improve to straight oo flush, half pot the river, and fold to allin. I think there's a real possibility of QJ here.

Re: Sick-ass draw, raised pot.
 

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Can you please explain why you'd want to raise 4x BB preflop with T9s. It's a hand I love myself, but it's a drawing hand! Why raise big? You don't wanna chase people out! What's the point in stealing $1.5 in blinds?


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The main point is diguising your hand. This get's to be more important at higher stakes, but still, I make lots of money with suited connectors at mid stakes, and I think it's cause I play them fairly similar to big pairs.