Aviation Club de France
 

I'm going to be in Paris in a few days, and was thinking about stopping by the club. I figure a few of you might have played there during WPT Paris or some other time, and that you'll be able to answer a few questions.

1. Is there any sort of dress code or limitation to enter the club?
2. Is it packed? How long would the list be for the lower-limit ring games? (Keep in mind, this might be during the preliminary tournaments for WPT Paris).

Thanks.

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I'm going to be in Paris in a few days, and was thinking about stopping by the club. I figure a few of you might have played there during WPT Paris or some other time, and that you'll be able to answer a few questions.

1. Is there any sort of dress code or limitation to enter the club?
2. Is it packed? How long would the list be for the lower-limit ring games? (Keep in mind, this might be during the preliminary tournaments for WPT Paris).

Thanks.

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Don't know what it's like during the WPT, but in general the dress code is fairly relaxed. I wouldn't wear jeans, though.

Keep in mind that the games at the ACF are almost exclusively dealer's choice pot-limit games. Expect to see a lot of Omaha (maybe 70%) with some HE (20%) mixed in.

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I thought for sure that you would need at least a jacket.
(I hope you can read that sentence. That's some horrible English.)

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They also run hold' em tournaments weekly. Last summer it was a 60 Euro buy in with rebuys and add-ons. Check the schedule.

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Don't know what it's like during the WPT, but in general the dress code is fairly relaxed. I wouldn't wear jeans, though.

Keep in mind that the games at the ACF are almost exclusively dealer's choice pot-limit games. Expect to see a lot of Omaha (maybe 70%) with some HE (20%) mixed in.

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In my experience there expect to see some holdem, 5%, some omaha, 15%, omaha hilo 20%, courcheval 50%, other games 20%.

Nice place, but the only place I found in Paris where they lived up to the paris image of snottiness, the staff anyway, the players were very friendly.

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I thought for sure that you would need at least a jacket.
(I hope you can read that sentence. That's some horrible English.)

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IIRC, a sportscoat is probably around the mean dress, and a safe choice but not required.

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You need dress shoes. That's imperative.

After that...nice jeans are fine, slacks are standard, and t-shirts are meh and oxford shirts are standard.

Will

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How will a non-French speaking American be accomodated or treated? Will the language be a problem for me?

gl,
Mike

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My experience there was great. If the dealer knows you can't speak French he will translate everything for you and address you in English. Just dress normally and you'll definitely have a good time (some of the players are crazy!).

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It's kind of a mindfuck to see a thread you posted two months ago be bumped.

I made it to the club, and played some 200 Euro max NL. The game played very strangely--almost everyone had very short stacks, ranging from 40-70 Euros. Everyone seemed pretty nice, but some of the French guys gave me a bit of a hard time (just joking around, but it got pretty old). I recommend that anyone who has some free time in Paris stop by.

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How will a non-French speaking American be accomodated or treated? Will the language be a problem for me?

gl,
Mike

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As helpful and friendly as they treat any other Americans in Paris.

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I am also a non French speaking ugly american. I went to the Aviation Club in June and was turned away at the door for not wearing appropriate shoes. When i asked which shoes were appropriate I was told "classic black".

Feeling alittle dissapointed I wandered the Champs Elysses looking at shoes. What was I thinking? Thats a great place to go shoe shopping if you want to buy an outrageously priced pair. I wanted the cheapest passable pair of shoes. The cheapest pair I found was 60 Euros and I caved in and bought them. So the next day I show up at the Club, whats the problem this time? I am too early. The games don't start until the afternoon.

So I finally get in a game a few hours later and it was worth the hassle. The players were absolutely awful. I ended up sitting in a great pot limit dealers choice with a few games in the mix that I had never heard of. Oh well i learned as I played. Even with that disadvantage I was able to recoup the cost of my shoes and had one 2 Euro chip left over as a souvenier (they don't use 1 Euro chips, ever).

As far as the staff was concerned I was treated very well and enjoyed their classy facilities.

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Great stuff.

So what's the etiquette at play? French only at the tables? How much do people tip the dealers? What were some of these different games dealt?

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Same etiquette as any other casino. I do not know if it is french only during a hand, unless you are going with a friend I don't see why it would matter. From what I remember people didn't seem to tip as much as they do in America. As for the games there were a bunch of fun ones that you will be dying to bring into your home game.

Double Hold'Em: Two flops, turns and rivers where the winning hand from each board chops the pot.
Courchevel: Esentially Omaha but the first flop card is exposed for the first round of betting
Aviation: I think its the same game as crazy fox? You get 4 cards and discard one on the flop and one on the turn.
7 Stud
7 Stud Hi-Low
Omaha
Omaha Hi-Low
Omaha 5: You get 5 instead of 4 (still only use 2)
Hold'Em

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I do not know if it is french only during a hand, unless you are going with a friend I don't see why it would matter.

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I like to joke and chat at the table. Plus I'm just curious. At the Holland Casino in Amsterdam, they allow German and English at the table in addition to Dutch. Those crazy Dutch polyglots and their openness.

Thanks for the info, nubs.

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No problem. Ahh that damned Holland Casino in Amsterdam. I played there a few weeks after I played in Paris. The lowest game they spread is 10-20 which is a little over my head but i was jonesing to play so I decided to take a shot. After running quite cold for awhile I picked up dueces on the button. I limped after 2 limpers and the flop came 9 3 2. Well to cut to the chase it came running nines and A9 took it down, breaking me in the process. Needless to say I left with my tail between my legs looking for the closest coffee shop [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

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Same etiquette as any other casino. I do not know if it is french only during a hand, unless you are going with a friend I don't see why it would matter. From what I remember people didn't seem to tip as much as they do in America. As for the games there were a bunch of fun ones that you will be dying to bring into your home game.

Double Hold'Em: Two flops, turns and rivers where the winning hand from each board chops the pot.
Courchevel: Esentially Omaha but the first flop card is exposed for the first round of betting
Aviation: I think its the same game as crazy fox? You get 4 cards and discard one on the flop and one on the turn.
7 Stud
7 Stud Hi-Low
Omaha
Omaha Hi-Low
Omaha 5: You get 5 instead of 4 (still only use 2)
Hold'Em

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You got them almost right.

Courchevel is like 5 card Omaha, but the first card of flop is dealt in initial deal before betting.

Aviation, you discard one card after the first betting round, before the flop is dealt. When the second betting round is completed, you discard second card before the turn. After that its like Holdem.

They also play "Seven Nullo". Its Seven card stud Low-only - no straights or flushes.

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I just got back from Paris and played a couple of sessions, one of dealer's choice and one of straight hold 'em, at the Aviation Club. Just a couple of quick notes:

The players there will call away all their chips with ten high flush draws on the turn without batting an eye, then get mad when they don't hit.

There's a dealer that looks exactly like Mila Kunis.

Bring dress shoes! And if you forget, don't try to buy a pair on that street. It's the high rent district. I'd like to know where a pair of 60 euro shoes were to be found there.

The resturant in the club is wonderful and really a bargin.

I'm not sure if they've changed the dealer's choice line up, but there were placards for both Courchevel and Courchevel Hi/Lo. 7 Stud Hi might have been dropped.

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I just got back from Paris and played a couple of sessions, one of dealer's choice and one of straight hold 'em, at the Aviation Club...

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Tell me a little more about the low limit hold'em. I'm actually flying over to Amsterdam next week and will have Saturday or Sunday to play some poker in Europe. The ACF looks like a good choice as they have low limit games, but taking their virtual tour reveals all of 6 tables in the poker room. I'm a little concerned I'll be stuck in a dealer's choice or higher limit game than what I'm comfortable with. 2/4 and 4/8 limit hold'em is what I'm interested in primarily. Thanks

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The ACF looks like a good choice as they have low limit games, but taking their virtual tour reveals all of 6 tables in the poker room. I'm a little concerned I'll be stuck in a dealer's choice or higher limit game than what I'm comfortable with. 2/4 and 4/8 limit hold'em is what I'm interested in primarily. Thanks

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There are in fact only a half-dozen tables in the main room. Your chance of finding a low-limit hold'em game at the ACF is virtually zero, unfortunately.

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There are in fact only a half-dozen tables in the main room. Your chance of finding a low-limit hold'em game at the ACF is virtually zero, unfortunately.

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Yea, I kinda figured, it just didnt' add up. Guess I'll have to get good and rich before stepping food in those doors [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i went to the A.C.F. yesterday, and i am very glad i did. i sat down at the 2/2 nl hold 'em only table. it had a 30 min/200 max buy-in. i bought in for 120 b/c a lot of people were buying in for much less (around 50 euro).
the players were all VERY bad. i caught some good cards at the beginning and went up to about 600 before ending the day at about 450.
other notes:
yes, there is a dealer that looks a lot like mila kunis...extremely hot.
language--for a while, there were a few of us that spoke english, and most of the french guys knew enough to get buy, so the whole table was speaking english for the most part. after a few hours, some of them filtered out, and more french people came in. this lead to french being spoken almost exclusively. however, all the dealers could speak decent english.
i had a really good time. i would suggest to anyone visiting paris that they play a while. everyone was very nice to me. i think the dealers liked me b/c i tipped after every hand(most did not tip at all).
non-alcoholic drinks are free.
also, it is very hard to bluff the europeans. i wouldn't suggest trying.
i think that's about it.

mflo

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People don't tip there since you are paying well more than double the standard US rake. Depending on the limits you play it's 3 or 4 times what you would pay here.

Those who populate the tipping threads by arguing we shouldn't have to tip should check out the chop at ACF to see the alternative. 500 euro buy-in no limit is 30 euros an hour, 10-20 limit is 20 and hour, and they don't level off like they do here. Here if you are paying $5 a half for 10-20 you are only paying like $7 or so for a 40-80 game and maybe $10 for 100-200. There you pay 35e for a 40-80 or 50e for 100-200. Or try playing the 100-200 blind no-limit game with a 100 euro timecharge.