Pocket 10\'s
 

NL Party Poker
.25/.50 blinds
I have $60 in Last Position
Villain has $30 UTG
[Note: I have no read on this player. This was the 4th or 5th hand I played on the table.]

UTG calls the BB
MP1 ($48) calls the BB
Hero raises $2.50 with 10h-10c
Blinds fold
UTG calls
MP1 calls
(Pot: $ 8.25)

Flop: 5h-8c-2h
UTG checks
MP1 checks
Hero bets $10
UTG goes all-in for $27.50
MP1 folds

Its $17.50 to me. The pot is now $45.75.
I would be getting 2.6:1 odds on the call.

Should I call?
What would you do with pocket 9's, 10's or Jacks in this spot?

Re: Pocket 10\'s
 

I call this every time. UTG if he has a monster he should have raised you pre-flop. Looks to me like he weak called saw a pretty harmless flop assuming you have over cards great place for him to try and steal if he is on draw or hit a pair.

get all his money in while you are probably ahead and over the long run will pay off, same with 9's or j's

Re: Pocket 10\'s
 

Call, from the preflop play I don't think he has a higher pkt pair than you, unless he is trying to be sneaky, he most likely has a strong ace, get your money in while you are ahead.

Re: Pocket 10\'s
 

QQ will usually raise from UTG. JJ is split. You are really only beating 99 right now.

Re: Pocket 10\'s
 

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Call, from the preflop play I don't think he has a higher pkt pair than you, unless he is trying to be sneaky, he most likely has a strong ace, get your money in while you are ahead.

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On this board I'd play 55 or 88 this way.

Re: Pocket 10\'s
 

I'm thinking he has 88, possibly 55. If he's REALLY loose, 22 isn't out of the question on these tables. Anything higher than JJ and I would expect a raise PF, but anything lower than 99 without making the set is extremely unlikely to check-raise you all in.

The only other thing I'm even considering he has is the nut flush draw. If that's the case, a call is OK, but I really doubt it. I fold here, happy I haven't lost more.

You raised to much
 

IMO u raised to much = u comitted urself to the pot.

I would probably bet 2/3 of the pot say 5-6 $ then normally check fold or fire a second burrel. Unless I know this guy is completley loose I wouldnt go All in. Dont pot comitt urself to a hand youre not sure ure willing to go All in

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Re: You raised to much
 

I raised too much? Really?
With pocket 10's don't you want to discourage overcards from calling and seeing 4th street. It is my understanding that you bet the pot in these situations.

By the way, i called, he showed KK and he took down the pot.

There is no way I am putting him on KK. Slowplaying his hand was questionable at best, stupid at worst. I guess he was looking to double-up and I was his fool.

Re: You raised to much
 

you can't kill yourself on that call it was a horrible play by him that panned out. The all-in bet for him there is also stupid, a simple raise or call would have had you commit all your money instead of a big bet to possibly get you out.

Re: You raised to much
 

Thank you JKRON.

I didn't want the post to be a "bad beat" complaint because in truth, it really wasn't. My curiosity was more about whether one should fold the hand in that situation.

Tens, Jacks, and even Queens can be a risky holding against a short-stacked all-in on the flop. Since it has happened to me more than a few times---and I almost always call when it does happen---I was wondering how others would play it.

From the responses, a majority of you would call as well.

Re: You raised to much
 

Maybe I didnt express myself correctly in this kind of situations you got to ask urself "Am I willing to go All in?" becuase after a 10$ bet you very likley might get raised to an All in especially on party and skins in the 25$ (very loose tables), I am not saying you played it wrongly but remeber what Rubeen and Ciaffone say in their book "The threat is much stronger than ur ammunition" Bet enough to scare him away (he might have trips) but not enough to comitt urself if ur not planing to call

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Re: You raised to much
 

Personal Pointers:
1.) I don't raise w/ TT at these tables - the value isn't there, because people aren't dumping weak overcards to your TT often enough. If any JQKA hits your in a tumultuous spot. (That however is just me, and it's perfectly reasonable to raise TT, here.)

2.) Your flop bet is way too much. You should be betting around $6-7 here.

3.) It would be difficult to fold this now, because the pot is over $18, and you only have $17 left to call. I see people playing sets like this very often - putting someone on an overpair they think they won't be able to get away from. The fact that he played KK like this wasn't the best play, but it worked on you.

Re: You raised to much
 

Totally understand what you are saying about holding Tens at these tables; though, when one has position and there are only 2 callers, I think it is wise to push a little with Tens and Jacks.

If I'm UTG or even early middle position, I often just call and hope to flop a set or str8t draw, but I'm not sure if this would be categorized as a weak/passive/bad play.

I agree that the flop bet was a bit much. Yet I wonder if I would have released it if I bet 2/3 and he went all-in. Doesn't seem to be much difference against a short-stack.