Common situation - how do you guys handle this?
 

Lets say you complete the BI with 7 Q Q. You get raised by a king and you end up heads up. You call, and believe he has kings. On fourth you catch a 7 and villain bets into you. What do you do on fourth and on subsequent streets if villain's board shows no improvement?

How about when you catch your seven on fifth or sixth. What do you do then? In both cases, villain's board shows no improvement.

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Why would you call on third if you believe he has kings?

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Why would you call on third if you believe he has kings?

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Do you fold everytime you get lelaised by a higher upcard?

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C'mon Beer ... Istream clearly states, that he believes villian has kings .. and not that there a chance, that villian has kings .. So I'd go with Blumpkin on this one

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Do you fold everytime you get lelaised by a higher upcard?

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Well this is why stud isn't an easy game. If you have no overcard kicker it's normally best to fold. And if you keep getting lelaised you can take stand when you think they are lelaising light. But in the online games people almost always have it when they lelaise (but not nearly as much when they only complete initially). Moreover, the people they are laising seem to always call on third, even more reason to suspect that they do actually have it.

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Yeah, what Blumpkin said. Fold 3rd.

Lets say you call though - say because his suit is live and he reraises with 3-flushes or because you were in a steal position etc. and catch that 7.
I rarely raise 4th here. One exception would be against a maniac who you are well ahead of most of the time but who will also 3-bet 4th and/or bet out again on 5th (so I can get in the maximum amount of raises).
Usually though, you should raise 5th I think. You might get him to fold if your lucky, or get more money in the pot with the (hopefully) best hand at least.
If you think there’s a good chance he actually has kings or if his board is getting scary you might want to wait till 6th to raise though. This avoids stuff like this: You raise 5th, he calls. On 6th, he catches a 3rd suited card (matching his door) and checks. Now what do you do?

So it all depends on how much fold equity you have on 5th, how far ahead you figure to be of his range and the boards.

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Well, I think lstream means he puts villain on a likely pair of kings... But is not 100% sure,, cause clearly lstream would fold if he knew villain had kings.. Maybe 75% of the time, he's got the goods, 20% he's got (X X) K, and 5% he's playing a 3 flush like me, blumpkin or Nappori.

Being that you're a likely underdog, but not completely dominated, how do you proceed?

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Roland, I have to go do some work, but what are the chances your opponent improves to two pair or trips by the river, if he starts with (YX)Y and is showing no improvement on his board?

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If you're sure he has kings, then you fold. but assuming you played on, then it is probably usually better to wait until 5 or 6th until raising if you are confident he has the higher pair. Remember, that your raise is not going to chase the higher pair out, so since the raise will not have that power, you want to be sure that you are indeed raising with the better hand. wiaiting until 5 or 6th allows you to see if he gets a pair on board. without that pair on board, you two pair is likely best and your raise now will get your more than if you raised on 4th. waiting till 6th gives you the opportunity to see how his hand plays out.

however, if you doubt that he has the higher pair, i might go ahead then and reraise on 4th trying to get him off of his hand right then, not giving him future drawing chances. I know others would still slowplay here trying to extract more money, but you are paying for that by continuing to let him draw cards which can beat you.

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Clarification - you strongly suspect kings, but don't know for sure. Sorry for the bad wording. There is enough uncertainty to carry on past third.

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Clarification - you strongly suspect kings, but don't know for sure. Sorry for the bad wording. There is enough uncertainty to carry on past third.

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In my opinion this is not enough reason to call on third, and I think this is one of the most critical mistakes most players online make. You "lose" one small bet if you fold third but probably on average lose 3 or 4 times that when you proceed with the hand.

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I'm inclined to agree here. The reraise is a pretty strong indicator. But if he'd do this with a three flush, str8 or small buried pair than you'd have a call. It's a tough spot, and most of us peel one off on the cheap street (fourth) and fold fifth unimproved. When I make two pair on fourth, I'm inclined to call down and toss in a bet if checked to on fifth or sixth.

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FYI, if a queen raises in front of me and I have a king up I will reraise probably about 75% of the time with any hand that I intend to play. Unless you know a player well, I won't be folding big pairs to just 1 reraise on 3rd (when heads up), even with a very low ante.

As for what to do with 2 pairs on 4th, I usually wait till 6th to raise if they don't make an open 2 pair. This allows them to keep semi-bluffing if they don't have the kings, and saves you money when they do have the kings and end up making Ks up by 6th. Note that if your board is starting to look scary on 4th or 5th (flush/str8 cards) I might raise sooner because that increases the chnace that they will check you you on 6th if you catch another scary card.

Regards,
Carlos

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FYI, if a queen raises in front of me and I have a king up I will reraise probably about 75% of the time with any hand that I intend to play. Unless you know a player well, I won't be folding big pairs to just 1 reraise on 3rd (when heads up), even with a very low ante.

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Of course if this is the situation you would be making a mistake folding the queens. When there are aggressive tricky players you have to adjust accordingly. But the fact is that in most of the games we play in we are against opponents who normally play straightforward and raise almost always with a bigger pair. And the reason we know this is because people always call them down to see that bigger pair.

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Lets say you complete the BI with 7 Q Q. You get raised by a king and . . . believe he has kings.

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Fold.

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The correct way to play this hand is to wait untill 6th street to raise. The point is if he makes an open pair, or some other really strong board you'll be happy you didn't put in the extra money earlier. But if 6th street comes clean you should raise and bet the river.

If you really think your opponent has kings you should fold immediately.

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yes its the same concept as if your know your opponent has a big buried pair only your judgement cant be nearly as precise as when his hand is a buried pair since you wont know for sure if he paired his kicker or not. i still wait till 6th since i will only get one raise prob. and i can fold if he makes an open pair before that. if he reraises on 6th however im in a pickle as he prob paired his hole card (or much worse) but ill cross that bridge when i come to it.
matty

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I would prefer to raise 6th than 5th,other factors being equal.But another thing to consider is that a lot of players will check 6th if they haven't improved.So, against these guys,you have to get your raise in on 5th.