Lost at the river
 

CO Just came recently 2-3 orbits ago.. and I noticed He raises preflop too much... So I decided to isolate him, sadly for me 2 other players came along for the ride unexpecanly..
MP2 plays 70% of his hands and doesnt raise preflop... and bets only when he has something

I am totally lost at the river, what do I do? Bet/fold? check/call? bet and call a raise?
and did I play it, ok up to the river? Was I right to bet out on the turn?


Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP calls, CO calls.

River: (11 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="brown"> Hero ? </font>

Re: Lost at the river
 

First, you can't isolate when there's a limper already. Not that your 3-bet is bad, but you won't get it HU often.

Flop and turn are standard. River is the blank of all blanks, so I bet. If MP2 raises, we have an easy fold. If MP2 calls and CO raises, I think I also fold. If MP2 folds and CO raises... that's tougher. It still seems like a fold to me.

Re: Lost at the river
 

Looks like Bet/call to me. TPTK meets no resistance on the turn when the 4 card OESD is out. I wouldn't worry too much. CO could be coming along with something like AJ or AT, and MP being as loose as he is could have two hearts, or middle pair weak kicker.

I think Bet/Fold is a little weak when you consider the pot would be laying 14-to-1 or better.

Re: Lost at the river
 

id bet/call, there was a flush draw that didnt hit. MP2 raises when he has something...that would be the tunr and he didn't.

Re: Lost at the river
 

I'd bet-fold, especially if we're overcalling. I think someone is rarely raising a hand that we beat on this board.

edit: Closest scenario IMO is bet-fold-raise-Hero... and I could see a call there. Play up to the river is fine IMO.

Re: Lost at the river
 

I am not worried about an 8 but maybe a King in someones hand. Too many players will play any face card. Great flop for a King. If you want to save a bet--check/call or go for value--bet/call

Re: Lost at the river
 

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I think Bet/Fold is a little weak when you consider the pot would be laying 14-to-1 or better.

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What hand do you think will raise you on the river on this board that you beat?

Re: Lost at the river
 

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id bet/call, there was a flush draw that didnt hit. MP2 raises when he has something...that would be the tunr and he didn't.

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MP2 sounds like the kind of player who will raise with the nuts. I think a lot of players fear AK here, since they assume a 3-bet means AA, KK, or AK. I don't see anyone raising here without a hand that beats us.

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Re: Lost at the river
 

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OT: How does everyone get colored names? That is so cool.

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Evan and some of the other mods in mid/high went nuts giving their friends colored names. Then one of the OOT mods just opened up a thread where anyone who asked for one would get a colored name. I'll let you guys in on a little secret, however. It was decided that the colored names hurt people's eyes and looked awful, so it was decided that they're going away shortly. Colored names will still exist for rewards and for special circumstances, however.

Re: Lost at the river
 

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OT: How does everyone get colored names? That is so cool.

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Evan and some of the other mods in mid/high went nuts giving their friends colored names. Then one of the OOT mods just opened up a thread where anyone who asked for one would get a colored name. I'll let you guys in on a little secret, however. It was decided that the colored names hurt people's eyes and looked awful, so it was decided that they're going away shortly. Colored names will still exist for rewards and for special circumstances, however.

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So you're saying there's a chance!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: Lost at the river
 

Check, then call for one probably

Re: Lost at the river
 

I Checked, and it was checked around, i chopped with AQ of spades the CO had... I was going to call one bet regardless if i was overcalling or not but not two bets. i was Just not ready to bet and call a reraise nor did I want to fold to a reraise...

Re: Lost at the river
 

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CO Just came recently 2-3 orbits ago.. and I noticed He raises preflop too much... So I decided to isolate him,

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP calls, CO calls.

River: (11 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="brown"> Hero ? </font>

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i'm gonna grunch it**

Preflop, this is a value raise. I'd fold this if rock raised me here, though, or call if I knew others would enter the pot (is this wrong?)

Good flop, good turn (no one raised)
The river hasn't changed this hand, so it's like its the turn all over again, except no new cards and bigger pot. I like raise/call here. I'd like to see other ppl's thoughts on the river...

Re: Lost at the river
 

River: I bet/fold this (I hope I fold anyway).

I'm definitely betting the turn. You probably have the best made hand and a monster draw so I'm not too unhappy if I get raised here.

Re: Lost at the river
 

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River: I bet/fold this (I hope I fold anyway).

I'm definitely betting the turn. You probably have the best made hand and a monster draw so I'm not too unhappy if I get raised here.

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definatly betting the turn, but bet/folding the river. Just is it that makes the river different?
1. bigger pot.
2. 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3. no 6th street.

besides that, I think if you definatly bet the turn, you must definately see the showdown.

Re: Lost at the river
 

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River: I bet/fold this (I hope I fold anyway).

I'm definitely betting the turn. You probably have the best made hand and a monster draw so I'm not too unhappy if I get raised here.

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definatly betting the turn, but bet/folding the river. Just is it that makes the river different?
1. bigger pot.
2. 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3. no 6th street.

besides that, I think if you definatly bet the turn, you must definately see the showdown.

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I'm not sure what you mean, but I don't see what hand raises you that you beat here. If the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is something different, then that may change my answer.

Re: Lost at the river
 

what I mean is:

The river card doesn't change anything. So I think betting the river is the right play, because if someone was going to raise, they'd likely raise the turn. Now that the river was a blank, a bet is good.

I'm really tired, i'll check back tmr.

Re: Lost at the river
 

bet the river you sissy.