Another riverdecision
 

UTG is a typical very loose-passive preflop, and medium passive postflop.
SB just sat down.
Comments on all street appreciated.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, SB folds.

River: (7 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero ?

Final Pot: 8 BB

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You only a beat a bluff as a pair of 4's will check every time.

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never c/c the river when u have the lead vs passive players HU on the river

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never c/c the river when u have the lead vs passive players HU on the river

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alright, than c/f or b/f or b/c?

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I would c/f. but b/f is probably a possibility. I don't see how much he calls that you beat though.

b/c isn't really an option.

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b/c isn't really an option.

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Of course not, but for the sake of completeness. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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if hes terrible and playing like 60% of his hands id b/f

if hes a crappy 42VPIP loose passive type id c/f

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if hes terrible and playing like 60% of his hands id b/f

if hes a crappy 42VPIP loose passive type id c/f

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He's exactly between those figures.

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i dunno, flip a coin

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I think by checking the river you're screaming "I give up, take the pot, the A just scared me." Either c/c or b/f.

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I think by checking the river you're screaming "I give up, take the pot, the A just scared me." Either c/c or b/f.

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It's also a diamond and he cold called two on the flop.
And we should not forget about the pair on the board...

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TOP says that if you have a hand that is worth a call (or almost worth a call) when all the cards are out, you should bet in first position against a player who calls more than he bets. If he raises your bet I think you can fold since I don't see him raising with anything you beat.

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TOP says that if you have a hand that is worth a call (or almost worth a call) when all the cards are out, you should bet in first position against a player who calls more than he bets. If he raises your bet I think you can fold since I don't see him raising with anything you beat.

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Yes, I know what top says. But what hands does he call with that we beat?

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TOP says that if you have a hand that is worth a call (or almost worth a call) when all the cards are out, you should bet in first position against a player who calls more than he bets. If he raises your bet I think you can fold since I don't see him raising with anything you beat.

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Yes, I know what top says. But what hands does he call with that we beat?

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A 4 or some random crap, and if you don't think he calls with anything you beat why do you even consider calling his bet? Do you think he's bluffing here often enough?

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TOP says that if you have a hand that is worth a call (or almost worth a call) when all the cards are out, you should bet in first position against a player who calls more than he bets. If he raises your bet I think you can fold since I don't see him raising with anything you beat.

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Yes, I know what top says. But what hands does he call with that we beat?

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A 4 or some random crap, and if you don't think he calls with anything you beat why do you even consider calling his bet? Do you think he's bluffing here often enough?

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I wasn't really. As I saw the river I knew I was gonna c/f. I just made a mistake in showing too much of the hand when I posted it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I think check/folding here is fine. There's a very good chance he just made a flush or has been calling down with an ace/higher pocket pair. When you get called/raised here you lose more than 50% of the time.

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I like the check-fold, cause it looks like you are beat the whole way. But I wouldn't play it this way. Villain's flop bet may mean a bigger PP than yours or a flush draw. The A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is like the worst card in the deck for you. Since I'm the aggressive type, I will bet this river and fold to a raise. Checking feels weak. The other thing to consider is if villain has a medium PP bigger than yours, he will fold the best hand when you bet the river cause he's afraid of the flush , an Ace, Ten, or a bigger PP than his.

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I'm leaning towards check folding against a loose passive.

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For you, the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is the worst card in the whole deck that could have come. Check/fold looks OK to me, especially since utg is not aggressive postflop.

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After he calls 2 cold on the flop...fold the river, flush got there and everything on the board owns you.

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I think by checking the river you're screaming "I give up, take the pot, the A just scared me." Either c/c or b/f.

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It's also a diamond and he cold called two on the flop.
And we should not forget about the pair on the board...

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Missed the 3 diamonds. I agree with c/f. crummy river.