WCOOP Event 4 - 3 hands for review
 

I'm not experienced or great at MTT's. I qualified for this via a satelite. Here are 3 hands I would like some feedback on, feel free to rip me.

(ps - converter didn't work for me - is there a new one?)

Hand 1.

2nd level - blinds 15/30
Button 3775 in chips
Hero BB 1960
MP 3060 in chips

MP mini open raises. I'm not sure what that means - he has been unremarkable so far. Button raises to 180. Button has been good aggressive and tricky and has picked off another over aggro player at the table to pick his stack up. I'm not sure what my image is.

I have J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the BB and call the 180.

I call as I am slightly nervous of the original mini raise and don't want to bloat the pot out of position. Is my hand to strong to consider that?

Anyway, MP folds. Heads up to the flop. Pot is T420

Flop 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check (mistake) Button bets full pot. I ???

Hand 2

Hero 3455 in chips
Villain 2190 in chips

Villain raises to 150 UTG. Villain has been weak, tight and passive. He is quite easy to push out of pots and will call down with decent hands.

I call out of the BB with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

FLOP 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check. Villain checks and I miss my checkraise.

TURN 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet 200. Villain calls.

RIVER 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet 400 Villain raises to 1150. I ??

Hand 3

Villain 7125 in chips
Hero 1630 in chips

Villain is the button from Hand 1.

I get A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the SB

Villain open raises to 150 in the CO. Button folds.
I raise to 500 out of the SB. BB folds. CO calls.

FLOP 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I push my stack. Standard?

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Hand#1, i like leading for 300 then folding to a reraise\
hand#2-push
#3-standard, i think

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Hand 1 - Personally, I call the flop bet and then see what he wants to do on the turn.

Hand 2 - I like a smallish reraise. However, here that means putting the villian all-in.

Hand 3 - s'ok. The problem is, if you are ahead, he has 3-6 outs, but if you're behind, you have 3 or six outs. Standard way ahead/way behind situation. In these situations, might as well let the other guy bet.

CSC

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Hand 1 - Personally, I call the flop bet and then see what he wants to do on the turn.

Hand 2 - I like a smallish reraise. However, here that means putting the villian all-in.

Hand 3 - s'ok. The problem is, if you are ahead, he has 3-6 outs, but if you're behind, you have 3 or six outs. Standard way ahead/way behind situation. In these situations, might as well let the other guy bet.

CSC

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Hi CSC, thanks for the responses,

Hand 1 - A couple of questions if I call.

What if he pots the turn?
What if he checks behind and a scare card comes on the river (A or K)?

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I'm perfectly happy letting this go on a pot turn. I am also ok with allowing him to draw to 6 outs. It isn't the best of all possible situations, but I think it is making the best of a bad situation. What hands to you just call with on the flop here? X2, QX, XcXc, or a PP. He knows this. He also knows that he doesn't want to end his tourney by betting into trips on a complete bluff. If he pots the turn, I'll give him credit for AQ or better, or give him respect for being such a gutsy bluffer. On the other hand, I don't like raising here because if he has the overpair, he pushes and you've just lost a very sizable raise. Most likely he has about 3 outs (ie: AT). I don't mind letting him draw to 3 outs if that means we can see a cheap showdown/get more info on the strength of his hand.

CSC

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Hand # 1 - This is definately the trickiest hand. Preflop call is good. I like cardsharp's check/call line on the flop, though a checkraise would definately tell you where you're at. Unfortunatly that would get you committed so if you're wrong you're done. If villain pots a blank turn I would check to see if he's European. If not I fold. But what if he bets half? What if turn is a club? What if its an A or K?

Hand # 2 - Well it looks like he checked a set of jacks on the flop, filled up on the turn, and let you catch up. He could also have the nut flush but that's less likely. The only hands you beat here are a smaller flush (doubt it), trip 3s (maybe), or a complete bluff (not from a weak tight). I think folding is the right play since if I call I expect to lose here 80% of the time.

Hand # 3 - With this stack I pot it back preflop and give villain a chance to fold. Its all going in on the flop anyway.

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Hand 1, i call the flop. On the turn, you have a very wide option here.

If a non club-lower than jack or a queen, i lead the turn.

If a club falls, i checkraise the turn or bet 3/4 pot on river if he checks.

If an ace or a king falls, i check-fold to a large bet or lead the river if he checks.

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Hand 1, i call the flop. On the turn, you have a very wide option here.

If a non club-lower than jack or a queen, i lead the turn.

If a club falls, i checkraise the turn or bet 3/4 pot on river if he checks.

If an ace or a king falls, i check-fold to a large bet or lead the river if he checks.

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kdoublek, the problem with your line is that this is how I might play a wide variety of hands. AJ, suiteds, X3. He could very easily be value-bettting here after letting the hero fire out all the bets he wanted to. I think the odds of a bluff are about equal to the odds of a boat - about 20% for each. But that means you've got a hand to value bet 60% of the time.

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oops, sorry. Should have read closer

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kdoublek, the problem with your line is that this is how I might play a wide variety of hands. AJ, suiteds, X3. He could very easily be value-bettting here after letting the hero fire out all the bets he wanted to. I think the odds of a bluff are about equal to the odds of a boat - about 20% for each. But that means you've got a hand to value bet 60% of the time.

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You're right cardsharp, this is how you would play a wide variety of hands. But villain here is described as weak, tight, and passive. If he has AJ he's firing on this flop to protect his hand from any scare card that might fall. Passive players tend to limp with suited connectors preflop so I don't think his raise would indicate that. This is, however, how a passive player would play Axs. While I may have overestimated villain's chance of having the boat, I think you've overestimated his chance of making a play. Weak, tight, passive players don't make these kinds of bluffs on these boards. Nor do they raise here without the close to the nuts. If he has AJ, A3, or a smaller flush he's probably just calling. That being said, I'll admit that I would probably be too attached to the hand not to call the small river raise even though I'm sure I'm beat.

Getting back to hand # 1, I think a check miniraise on the flop is the best line. You have the best underpair and villain is capable of potting any underpair plus AK, AJ, and a flush draw. Any hand that beats you badly now is almost certainly jamming and you can fold. There are a whole bunch of hands you are ahead of that might just call a miniraise though. In that case you are probably way ahead and can figure out how to get the most chips on the turn. I think he would jam the flop with AKs and AJs too, but folding to these hands is a risk worth taking imo since you're not that far ahead of them.

Results
 

Thanks for the responses guys,

Hand 1

I moved the slider up to checkraise and it was basically for my whole stack. I didn't want to call as I didn't have a turn plan. I folded. Villain flashed TT [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Hand 2

I called. Villain showed JJ for the boat [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Hand 3

Villain called and showed KTo - I didn't improve and was out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

ipp147

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For hand 1, why are you not re-raising preflop? This is still during the rebuy period, right? During the rebuy period a raise can mean almost any two cards. You need to take this opportunity to try and double up here. If you lose, then you can still rebuy. If you don't want to rebuy, then you are wasting your money playing in this tournament.

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hand 1 - this is the trickiest one. jj out of position can be very difficult. i like calling preflop (if you reraise to ~500 a good tricky player will just smooth call w/ aa or kk and stack you off on the flop). on the flop, then, i would lead out for the pot. if he comes over the top then you just have to make a tough decision based on what you know of him. i would generally fold, but not always.

hand 2 - if your read is strong enough you can fold this. given your description, the 2 hands that the villain BY FAR is representing by his betting pattern are JJ and AdXd.

make a crying call if your read is a little shaky. i think reraising here is very bad.

hand 3 - maybe make it a bit more preflop, but that's being picky. once you reraise you are pushing any flop, unless you hit it huge and decide it's better to check and induce some action.

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kdoublek, the problem with your line is that this is how I might play a wide variety of hands. AJ, suiteds, X3. He could very easily be value-bettting here after letting the hero fire out all the bets he wanted to. I think the odds of a bluff are about equal to the odds of a boat - about 20% for each. But that means you've got a hand to value bet 60% of the time.

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the opponent is described as weak, tight, and passive. these opponents are rarely, rarely raising the river here without a hand that beats our K-high flush.

i would expect to see AdJd or JJ here at least 80% of the time.

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For hand 1, why are you not re-raising preflop? This is still during the rebuy period, right? During the rebuy period a raise can mean almost any two cards. You need to take this opportunity to try and double up here. If you lose, then you can still rebuy. If you don't want to rebuy, then you are wasting your money playing in this tournament.

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Not a rebuy tournament

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hand 2 - if your read is strong enough you can fold this. given your description, the 2 hands that the villain BY FAR is representing by his betting pattern are JJ and AdXd.

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make a crying call if your read is a little shaky. i think reraising here is very bad.

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My read wasn't super strong. I should have laid it down but I didn't think it through properly. NL MTT's aren't my main game.

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hand 3 - maybe make it a bit more preflop, but that's being picky. once you reraise you are pushing any flop, unless you hit it huge and decide it's better to check and induce some action.

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I might have posted it wrong but I raised the max preflop. I should have check called the flop but thats by the by.