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aaronk56 10-28-2005 10:58 AM

$5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
Blinds 75/150

UTG ~3800
Button ~5500
SB ~2500
Hero ~3200

UTG folds
Button calls
SB folds
Hero ?

I have pushed 5-6 times in the last 30 hands pf, no one else has pushed pf.

tigerite 10-28-2005 10:59 AM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
Youve been pushing with 3200 chips and 75/150 blinds?

Why?

Here, I'd just do a standard raise, or maybe even just check, it depends on the table and the Button.

aaronk56 10-28-2005 11:06 AM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
Probably because I feel I suk post flop. I'm thinking of playing some SH ring games to work on my post flop play.

tigerite 10-28-2005 11:08 AM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
You should not be pushing with this much of a stack at these blinds.. it's just asking for trouble and the risk-to-reward ratio is ridiculously high

aaronk56 10-28-2005 11:15 AM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
Which helps explain my plurality of 4th place finishes.

SonnyJay 10-28-2005 11:44 AM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
I'd just check here since it's not a fun hand to commit chips with OOP. If I hit then I go from there. There's an argument to raise, though.

However, the fact that you've been pushing with such a deep stack is not good at all.

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Which helps explain my plurality of 4th place finishes.

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Yes it would. This is a huge flaw in your game, if you're just pushing with relatively deep stacks and 2 players that can call and eliminate you. The "pushbot" bubble strategy, in general, applies to <10BB, and it intensifies when stack sizes can affect you (ie. the button limper has t2300 more than you-more reason not to).

Your postflop play may not be great, but I have to figure you can come up with a better line than repeated 20+BB all ins. Read the forum as much as possible, post hands, and keep playing.

-SonnyJay

10-28-2005 11:46 AM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
I raise it to T550-600. I don't like checking, he could have limped with all kinds of crap.

SonnyJay 10-28-2005 11:55 AM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
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I raise it to T550-600. I don't like checking, he could have limped with all kinds of crap.

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True, but I'm not a huge fan of the OOP continuation bet against the big stack that can afford to play with me. If I felt that the big stack isn't too active postflop and I could frequently win the pot with a continuation bet if I whiff the flop, I'd raise. If he's shown he's willing to dance with less than optimal hands postflop I'm less inclined to.

-SonnyJay

10-28-2005 12:08 PM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
I agree, and I would take this into consideration. However, I experience that the big stacks often want to see a cheap flop, and I won't let them. If he's active then put pressure on him.

aaronk56 10-28-2005 12:30 PM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
Ok if I raise it to 600, big stack calls and flop comes A85 rainbow. What's my line, assuming the big stack is loose but not a total maniac post flop.

10-28-2005 12:41 PM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
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Probably because I feel I suk post flop. I'm thinking of playing some SH ring games to work on my post flop play.

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Have you tried playing SNGs on party? With a starting stack of t800 rather than t1500, the games go by faster. Also, when you get to the bubble the stacks range anywhere from 5BB-30BB, making a pushbot strategy more viable. There isn't much postflop play either.

As for the hand you posted, I'd be afraid of the limper. When I see limpers on the bubble at these low levels, half the time they have rags and the other half they have monsters that are looking for action. If he's seen you push 4-6 times in the last 30 hands, then he may be wanting you to do it again.

10-28-2005 12:53 PM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
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Ok if I raise it to 600, big stack calls and flop comes A85 rainbow. What's my line, assuming the big stack is loose but not a total maniac post flop.

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I would check/fold. The pot is big and a continuation bet would hurt your stack. Though if I have a read on him and I'm sure he wouldn't limp with an ace, I would try firing t800.

SonnyJay 10-28-2005 01:17 PM

Re: $5.50 KQs on the Bubble
 
I actually think you have to continuation bet here (since you raised PF and an A flopped), but of course if he has an A he'll probably play you. OOP sucks.

-SonnyJay


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