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jason_t

08-19-2005 11:24 PM

Wynn 8/16 QQ

MP is a LAG and borderline maniac; I think that he hates me as when I cracked his J7o with a flopped set of 3s he seemed to go on tilt and bitterly said "good for you pretty boy." SB is tight, solid and ABC.

My image is tight, aggressive and I'm up a fuckton and I'm showing down solid starting hands.

Preflop: I am BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
MP calls, SB completes, I raise, they call.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I bet, MP raises, SB instantly calls, I 3-bet, MP 4-bets, SB instantly calls, I cap, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I reach for eight chips and see MP reaching for sixteen chips so I....

To be continued.

Luv2DriveTT

08-19-2005 11:31 PM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

I no likey cap. I don't see the value in it. Aiiyahh!

Turn - check and let him bet the hand for you. He knows you don't have a piece of the straight since you raised preflop and is trying his hardest to push you off the hand (either that or he's got it already). SB is a dangerous variable, open ended straight draw or a made set? But MP may have a hand such as 2 pair, Not pretty...
TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

toss	08-20-2005 12:23 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

Bet and scare away SB.

Evan	08-20-2005 12:26 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

[ QUOTE ]
"good for you pretty boy."

[/ QUOTE ]
SUHWEET.

If he's really nuts than bet and protect your hand.

Dan Rutter

08-20-2005 12:27 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

I do not think you should have capped the flop. While you may be ahead in the hand, you can not be sure, and the bet will not find out if you are. You are not forcing draws to pay anything significant in relation to their pot odds either, they are getting the odds. What were you trying to accomplish with the cap?

What has MP being opening with PF when folded to? What will he limp with?

Are you including the fact that the SB is instantly calling, because you think it is more likely he is on a draw, rather then a made hand?

Its not an easy situation. I would like to charge the SB a double bet if possible, if you think he drawing to the straight, but that maybe over aggresive in a seemingly marginal siutation. Maybe check, MP bets, SB calls you call. If SB raises fold. River, in most situations check, MP bets, if SB calls fold, if SB folds call.

Luv2DriveTT

08-20-2005 12:54 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
"good for you pretty boy."

[/ QUOTE ]
SUHWEET.

If he's really nuts than bet and protect your hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Pots so big that betting so the LAG can raise it for you may not protect your hand from the SB... or would it?

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

toss	08-20-2005 12:57 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

Well SB looks like he has the OESD so we can make him pay 2 or 3 or 7 bets to see the river.

A_C_Slater

08-20-2005 12:59 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

If SB is tight solid and ABC then he either has a set or is drawing to the straight after calling all those flop bets, in which case, he isn't folding no matter what happens on the turn. I would check and let this maniac bitch bet.

A_C_Slater

08-20-2005 01:02 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

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Well SB looks like he has the OESD so we can make him pay 2 or 3 or 7 bets to see the river.

[/ QUOTE ]

But him calling won't be a mistake and we're putting more money in the pot when we may already be behind to the quasi-maniac.

meep_42

08-20-2005 01:26 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

Clearly the answer is to check-raise.

-d

jason_t

08-20-2005 06:29 PM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

Preflop: I am BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
MP calls, SB completes, I raise, they call.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I bet, MP raises, SB instantly calls, I 3-bet, MP 4-bets, SB instantly calls, I cap, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I check, MP bets, SB calls, I call.

River: (13.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I....

tyler_cracker

08-20-2005 07:10 PM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

I don't see any value in betting out. If SB has been slowplaying a big hand (set or straight), we're screwed. If he missed his draw (this seems more likely), he's not calling a bet anyway. Maybe if he hit two-pair he will fold if you bet and MP raises.

Villain might be afraid of the A here, so he might check behind and give y'all a free showdown. If he bets, you have to call one more, unless SB calls, and then i don't think we can overcall.

I'm too poor and sucky to play 8/16 at the wynn, but someone always seems to be griping about something at the 8/16 tables. Maybe it's something about those $2 chips.

toss	08-20-2005 07:10 PM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

[ QUOTE ]
Preflop: I am BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
MP calls, SB completes, I raise, they call.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I bet, MP raises, SB instantly calls, I 3-bet, MP 4-bets, SB instantly calls, I cap, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I check, MP bets, SB calls, I call.

River: (13.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I....

[/ QUOTE ]

Check call if SB folds.

Chris Daddy Cool

08-20-2005 07:30 PM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Preflop: I am BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
MP calls, SB completes, I raise, they call.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I bet, MP raises, SB instantly calls, I 3-bet, MP 4-bets, SB instantly calls, I cap, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I check, MP bets, SB calls, I call.

River: (13.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, I....

[/ QUOTE ]

Check call if SB folds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Chris Daddy Cool

08-20-2005 07:31 PM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

i would have bet this turn and call down if raised if he really is as manical as you say. if he went that many bets on the flop the K is unlikely to have helped his hand.

doughhater

08-21-2005 04:40 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

I usually find that when they go for their chips like that it usually means that they don't want you to bet. And any time I can do something that I think my opponent doesn't like, I tend to do it. As for what happens after that, you really need to see what actions the other players make and how they make them.

aK13	08-21-2005 06:27 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

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I usually find that when they go for their chips like that it usually means that they don't want you to bet. And any time I can do something that I think my opponent doesn't like, I tend to do it. As for what happens after that, you really need to see what actions the other players make and how they make them.

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You watch too much Mike Caro's pro poker tells.

aK13	08-21-2005 06:28 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

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I reach for eight chips and see MP reaching for sixteen chips

[/ QUOTE ]

????

You need 16 to make a bet, and he needs 32 to stick in a raise.

Evan	08-21-2005 06:36 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

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[ QUOTE ]
I reach for eight chips and see MP reaching for sixteen chips

[/ QUOTE ]

????

You need 16 to make a bet, and he needs 32 to stick in a raise.

[/ QUOTE ]
$2 chips.

aK13	08-21-2005 06:43 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

[ QUOTE ]
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I reach for eight chips and see MP reaching for sixteen chips

[/ QUOTE ]

????

You need 16 to make a bet, and he needs 32 to stick in a raise.

[/ QUOTE ]
$2 chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

Bah. Foiled again.

08-21-2005 06:43 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

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Maybe it's something about those $2 chips.

[/ QUOTE ]

oops. too late.

bugstud

08-21-2005 10:40 AM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

they gotta run plo more often

jason_t

08-21-2005 07:44 PM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

istewart

08-21-2005 07:55 PM

Re: Wynn 8/16 QQ

Would SB raise KT or AT preflop here? Doesn't look good for you at all after he calls, but I'm just wondering what range of hands we're putting him on here.

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