99 LP, how\'s my line
 

Did I play this too aggressivly?


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (15.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (20.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

I think I woulda chickened out and check behind on the river.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

I like everything but the river. With that many opponents, I have to believe I'm probably behind something (any 8, higher PP - which seems likely, 54, T9, 2-pair, etc.). I just can't see none of your opponents having something that beats you, so I take the free opportunity to show down here, personally.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

Yeah I thought I had some FE w/ these donks. Oh well.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

Fold equity? You mean you think you'll fold a better hand? No way.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

Umm, yes. At least I thought I might as well throw $4 more at it and hope for some folds. I thought I had a chance of that happening.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

These type of players will fold a better hand close to 0% of the time.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

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These type of players will fold a better hand close to 0% of the time.

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I concur. And you're going to get raised by a better hand. Which sucks.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

I dont understand the preflop play, is this just me ? With 99 in a multiw pot you pretty much need to hit 9 or get a low fl. Are you trying to get UTG + 1 out and take down the pot on the flop ? Id rather call and hope for multiway.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

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I dont understand the preflop play, is this just me ? With 99 in a multiw pot you pretty much need to hit 9 or get a low fl. Are you trying to get UTG + 1 out and take down the pot on the flop ? Id rather call and hope for multiway.

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No. 99 has a pretty big edge against random players. Here, however, you want the button hardcore. You want to isolate the weak 2/4 player with a worse hand than 99. It's a value raise, a position raise, and an isolation raise all in one. Which rocks.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

ok

would you do the same if the prefl raiser was TAA ?

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

Depends on how tight.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

without reads it seems pretty standard. being called by 3 people on the river is a little curious, was the table that loose. if you won it was because the 8s may have counterfeited someone's smaller 2 pair, although i am certainly not saying you won. i may check that river with reads. if they are calling stations, value bet.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

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I dont understand the preflop play, is this just me ? With 99 in a multiw pot you pretty much need to hit 9 or get a low fl. Are you trying to get UTG + 1 out and take down the pot on the flop ? Id rather call and hope for multiway.

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No. 99 has a pretty big edge against random players. Here, however, you want the button hardcore. You want to isolate the weak 2/4 player with a worse hand than 99. It's a value raise, a position raise, and an isolation raise all in one. Which rocks.

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that's basically why I did it. I was ready to fold to an overcard w/o chance of improvement on teh flop. So when the flop came all undercards I thought I had a chance to take this down.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

Yeah, I expected less people to be in after I bet the turn, and I thought I had a legit chance of taking it down w/o showing on the river. As far as how the table was playing, thats how I felt.


Incidently, the winner was QQ, who beat also JJ.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

i would fold preflop without a read.

it is obviously impossible to isolate anyone because there was a raise and a cold call. there are 3 player yet to act. the very best you can wish for imo is to get 3 way action against two overcard hands. and even that is not a favorable situation!

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

Dave,
3-betting PF is fine. Reads would help, but meh. I would call the flop, b/c it's very possible AA/ KK will three bet u and u would really like to see the turn cheaply which u can do right now closing the action (u have set and bd str8 outs). Also, if one or more of these players have failed overcards, they'll very likely check the turn to u and u can bet or raise the initial ccers bet if he bets. Having raised the flop, u have to bet the turn. The river bet is bad though for the stated reasons.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

marginal hand, too many opponents. Methinks the river bet's a no-no.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

Based on this hand, and your inclination to cap the turn with TPTK in another hand I would say you are too aggressive for these games. At 10/20 6max your plays may be correct, but at 2/4 and 3/6 you simply will not get value.

-SmileyEH

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

Ah, u are not isolating anyone when someone cold calls a raise. This pot is definitly going to ATLEAST be 3-handed. And I doubt you are against a random hand here, even before SB caps it.

Either call or fold. Whats with the flop, you're behind.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

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99 has a pretty big edge against random players.

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Whereas he might be up against random players, he is likely not up against random hands.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

the 3-bet pf is close I think with the number of players likely to be in the pot, and so call. flop raise isn't going to accomplish much. I'm surprized no one advocated checking the turn with your straight draw and a likely overpair out there.

Re: 99 LP, how\'s my line
 

You can't expect a shorthanded pot so I just call pre-flop and look for a beneficial flop before making moves.

I also don't like the raise on the flop. You may have the best hand but with the straight draw, flush draw, and overcards out there so many turn cards can come that will kill your hand and I doubt you're a favorite to have the best hand at showdown - you're also not making anyone fold.

Just call and se what happens on the turn ala SSH page 185-189.