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bottomset

12-17-2005 02:28 AM

2+2 serious game .5/1 party

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pass: two

bottomset

12-17-2005 04:26 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

villian is ajm, he has been playing very aggresively postflop with 1pair

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

bottomset

12-17-2005 04:30 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

villian is jaxup

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB raises, bottomset calls.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, bottomset raises, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, bottomset raises, SB 3-bets, bottomset caps, SB folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Redd	12-17-2005 04:31 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

Would you include 55-22 in his range here? If so, what about a flop cap?

You're a luckbox btw.

bottomset

12-17-2005 04:32 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
bottomset raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, bottomset calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
bottomset checks, Button bets, bottomset calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
bottomset checks, Button bets, bottomset calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
bottomset bets

good, bad, horrible??

Redd	12-17-2005 04:32 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

IMO pf = fps vs. jaxup. In position you give up way too much equity to be fooling around.

bottomset

12-17-2005 04:36 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

another hand against jaxup

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
bottomset raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, bottomset bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, bottomset bets, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, bottomset raises

jaxUp

12-17-2005 04:40 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

[ QUOTE ]
villian is ajm, he has been playing very aggresively postflop with 1pair

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

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standard

ajm36

12-17-2005 04:40 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

You left out the part about villian being a moron. Thanks for the game guys.

jaxUp

12-17-2005 04:41 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

[ QUOTE ]
villian is jaxup

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB raises, bottomset calls.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, bottomset raises, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, bottomset raises, SB 3-bets, bottomset caps, SB folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

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one of the best lines I have ever seen. I was pwned here. It is only good against a thinking TAG.

jaxUp

12-17-2005 04:43 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
bottomset raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, bottomset calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
bottomset checks, Button bets, bottomset calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
bottomset checks, Button bets, bottomset calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
bottomset bets

good, bad, horrible??

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If you think you can push villain off an A with a flop c/r, turn bet combo, then I'd go with that. River donk is good.

bottomset

12-17-2005 04:44 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

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IMO pf = fps vs. jaxup. In position you give up way too much equity to be fooling around.

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jaxup reads hands well, and is fairly hard to extract from, I think deception is worth a fair bit here, especially since he totally expects me to be 3betting most aces

it definetly got me an extra couple of BBs this time

jaxUp

12-17-2005 04:45 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

[ QUOTE ]
another hand against jaxup

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
bottomset raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, bottomset bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, bottomset bets, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, bottomset raises

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I really hate you for this hand. On an uncoordinated flop call, you need to think about a turn check. I'd expect to get c/r'ed a significant amount of the time.

bottomset

12-17-2005 04:45 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

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You're a luckbox btw.

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not this month

Redd	12-17-2005 04:47 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

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IMO pf = fps vs. jaxup. In position you give up way too much equity to be fooling around.

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jaxup reads hands well, and is fairly hard to extract from, I think deception is worth a fair bit here, especially since he totally expects me to be 3betting most aces

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That's the thing - you're 3-betting alot of hands here and jaxup isn't going to give you credit for a decent one yet. I don't think that there's even that much deception value unless you happen to flop trip aces.

milesdyson

12-17-2005 04:48 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

i agree completely with bottomset here. underplaying AK/AQ preflop is really good against tags. watch the pwnage.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

Results:
Hero has As Kd (three of a kind, aces).
CO has Ah 7c (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.75 BB.

bottomset

12-17-2005 04:58 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

again vs jaxup

flop peel good?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
bottomset raises, 3 folds, BB 3-bets, bottomset calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, bottomset calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, bottomset checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, bottomset checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

milesdyson

12-17-2005 05:03 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

as long as he could 3-bet some stuff that you'd have 6 outs or the best hand against (QJs, A9/A8/A7/A6/A5, low pairs), i think it is fine.

bottomset

12-17-2005 05:04 AM

last one

good flop raise?
turn bet?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, bottomset raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, bottomset raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, bottomset bets, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, bottomset checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

ajm36

12-17-2005 05:06 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

I think the flop call is good with you backdoor draws and your ace overcard. Is betting the turn bad?

jaxUp

12-17-2005 05:12 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

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I think the flop call is good with you backdoor draws and your ace overcard. Is betting the turn bad?

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He is very worried about a c/r here.

ajm36

12-17-2005 05:24 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

[ QUOTE ]
He is very worried about a c/r here.

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Do you attempt to attach any fold equity to this turn bet. For instance, if it was 33% you would make up for those times you were checkraised and lost--is this wrong.

bottomset

12-17-2005 05:30 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

[ QUOTE ]
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He is very worried about a c/r here.

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Do you attempt to attach any fold equity to this turn bet. For instance, if it was 33% you would make up for those times you were checkraised and lost--is this wrong.

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I don't think he's folding there very often, I picked up outs, and have position, time to use it

Xhad	12-17-2005 02:40 PM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
bottomset raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, bottomset calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
bottomset checks, Button bets, bottomset calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
bottomset checks, Button bets, bottomset calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
bottomset bets

good, bad, horrible??

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If you think you can push villain off an A with a flop c/r, turn bet combo, then I'd go with that. River donk is good.

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I was villian that hand and agree with all of the above. I was thinking after that hand that it probably wouldn't have occurred to me to bet/fold that river in your place, but I think it's absolutely the correct thing to do because:

-I'm probably not raising anything you beat
-I would usually check behind with AQ/AJs but I'm certainly not folding either to your bet
-I may or may not raise with an overpair if you bet but I'm definitely betting if you check

bottomset

12-18-2005 01:16 AM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

next time have AQ

Xhad	12-18-2005 10:28 PM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

I'll try. I'll also try not to hit a 20BB upswing as soon as I sit down next time. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Entity

12-18-2005 11:40 PM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

[ QUOTE ]
i agree completely with bottomset here. underplaying AK/AQ preflop is really good against tags. watch the pwnage.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

Results:
Hero has As Kd (three of a kind, aces).
CO has Ah 7c (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.75 BB.

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CO should fold preflop.

Entity

12-18-2005 11:43 PM

Re: 2+2 serious game .5/1 party

[ QUOTE ]
again vs jaxup

flop peel good?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: bottomset is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
bottomset raises, 3 folds, BB 3-bets, bottomset calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, bottomset calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, bottomset checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, bottomset checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

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Peel is good if Jax sucks at betting OOP and likes to check-call to snap off bluffs.

Rob

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