William,care to discuss this?
 

After reading the entire thread of the tinfoil hat poll "Is online poker safe",one of William's posts in burning a hole in me.He claims he knows some gangster thugs that own a poker site with all sorts of shady dealings going on.
Which one?Has there been a post about this before or do you feel no obligation to this community to share this info?
If you really do know of an underhanded site and you haven't posted a warning to this forum,I'm deeply offended that you still post here.
If it has been posted,I apologize.If not,please explain yourself.

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

I have mentionned this kind of things many times, usually it ends in everybody calling me names and it is my experience, both from live, online poker and the real life that most people even if they are showed the evidence that something is hurting them, won't change their habits.
As I mentionned before, I know of 1 site for sure and have heard from reliable sources from various other places + we all know about the couple of sites that actually stole customer's money. I also know of organized groups of colluders that cheat online because I have been asked to be part of one of those groups.
This is because before I played online, I played a lot of live poker and you meet all kind of people and after some time, they got so used to me that they would just talk about many of their businesses in front of me, well knowing that I was not like them but that I would also not talk to anybody. Many of the old posters surely remember those days.

Anyway, let's not get off topic. As I said, the individual dammage is very little, that some of you lose a few bucks every now and then or don't win that wsop seat you were hoping for won't change your lifes, but those things happen and if I would start making direct accusations don't you think somebody might come and knock on my door? Wouldn't you then think that obligations towards my family and myself are more important than the ones I might have towards the forum?

I can only say that you must keep your eyes open, because in the event things go wrong, many places(I say many because I suppose many sites are not honest, what are the chances that the ones I know of are the only suspicious ones?) don't have your interests as theír first priority.

If you still feel deeply offended that I don't say more and keep posting here, I sugest you do like many others, decide to believe that I am just inventing things or stop reading my posts.

I believe that a small warning is better than no warning at all.

Now, as usual, flame away...

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
if I would start making direct accusations don't you think somebody might come and knock on my door?

[/ QUOTE ]

Serious question. How does one go about finding the door of a William Poo-Bah living in the town of "Where the babes live"?

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

i think youre full of [censored].

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

sometimes I wonder why you bothered to come back to 2+2 after your supposed "long absence".

if you have facts, post em. we are all big boys here.

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if I would start making direct accusations don't you think somebody might come and knock on my door?

[/ QUOTE ]

Serious question. How does one go about finding the door of a William Poo-Bah living in the town of "Where the babes live"?

[/ QUOTE ]

You can't, because you are new in here, but some others know who I am, also close to where I live. As long as no names are mentionned, nobody will try to find out about the source, but if they wish it can be done.

Anyway, I insist that the fact that I know of a couple of places is just an indication that other places are maybe doing the same.

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
sometimes I wonder why you bothered to come back to 2+2 after your supposed "long absence".

if you have facts, post em. we are all big boys here.

[/ QUOTE ]

You just don't get it do you?

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

I second that axioma

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if I would start making direct accusations don't you think somebody might come and knock on my door?

[/ QUOTE ]

Serious question. How does one go about finding the door of a William Poo-Bah living in the town of "Where the babes live"?

[/ QUOTE ]

You can't, because you are new in here

[/ QUOTE ]


He is new?

Michael O'Malley
member
Reged: 09/02/02
Posts: 106

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if I would start making direct accusations don't you think somebody might come and knock on my door?

[/ QUOTE ]

Serious question. How does one go about finding the door of a William Poo-Bah living in the town of "Where the babes live"?

[/ QUOTE ]

You can't, because you are new in here

[/ QUOTE ]


He is new?

Michael O'Malley
member
Reged: 09/02/02
Posts: 106

[/ QUOTE ]

Interesting, I must have had a different account at some point. I have actually been active on 2+2 since about 1998 (were the forums even online then?), although not very active lately.
I have probably read more/posted less than the average poster.

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if I would start making direct accusations don't you think somebody might come and knock on my door?

[/ QUOTE ]

Serious question. How does one go about finding the door of a William Poo-Bah living in the town of "Where the babes live"?

[/ QUOTE ]

You can't, because you are new in here, but some others know who I am, also close to where I live. As long as no names are mentionned, nobody will try to find out about the source, but if they wish it can be done.

Anyway, I insist that the fact that I know of a couple of places is just an indication that other places are maybe doing the same.

[/ QUOTE ]

In other words, you dont know jack, but are going to throw around "hints" to make it look like you are cool and know something everyone else doesnt?

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
[/quIn other words, you dont know jack, but are going to throw around "hints" to make it look like you are cool and know something everyone else doesnt?
ote]

Yes, I always do this, it's my way of spending a sunny day at home when I am bored.

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

I believe you, as what you say is well known outside of the the confines of the blinded zoo.

Excerpt from Article

"Cryptologic Inc. and Intercasino.com
Bill Scott also known as William "Billy" Scott is the bookie from Toledo, Ohio and the criminal who financed Cryptologic Inc. and Intercasino.com and Sands of the Caribbean as well as many illegal sportsbooks.
He laundered his heroin and other dirty money by financing Cryptologic Inc. and Intercasino.com and other fraudulent companies. Today, he still does heavy business with the Russian Mafia, Cryptologic Inc. and uses their rigged software under a large number of different names. This is the perfect method to launder his dirty money, and Cryptologic Inc. needs him to support the falling share price of their junk and illegal company, openly trading on the stock market.
Cryptologic's Bill Scott remains in Antigua as a fugitive because he will be arrested if he returns to the U.S because a federal warrant has been issued for his arrest.
Cryptologic's Bill Scott served time in federal prison for racketeering and other offences, including six years in prison for extortion and conspiracy, and he has been heavily involved with heroin and cocaine trafficking, tax fraud and illegal gambling. He served another sentence of two years in federal prison for other offences.
A warrant has been issued for his arrest on felony conspiracy charges, but he's not about to surrender. Cryptologic's Bill Scott is a member of one of Toledo's best known racketeering families and he was arrested and jailed too many times to keep track. "

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

TY for your support, now you must be prepared to be called all sort of names by the all-knowing good people of the ZOO.

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
I believe you, as what you say is well known outside of the the confines of the blinded zoo.

Excerpt from Article



[/ QUOTE ]

Excerpt from better Article:

"We don't believe you"

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I believe you, as what you say is well known outside of the the confines of the blinded zoo.

Excerpt from Article



[/ QUOTE ]

Excerpt from better Article:

"We don't believe you"

[/ QUOTE ]


May I add: Excerpt from an even better article:

"You suck, you can believe what you want, you are a loser and have you answered all the questions from the different available polls today?"

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I believe you, as what you say is well known outside of the the confines of the blinded zoo.

Excerpt from Article



[/ QUOTE ]

Excerpt from better Article:

"We don't believe you"

[/ QUOTE ]


May I add: Excerpt from an even better article:

"You suck, you can believe what you want

[/ QUOTE ]

O'Malley has more credibility than you can imagine. He is much more likely to know the inner workings of the securist of areas at the world's largest poker site. He is telling you that things like this are not happening. What credibility do you bring to the table?

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
I have mentionned this kind of things many times, usually it ends in everybody calling me names and it is my experience, both from live, online poker and the real life that most people even if they are showed the evidence that something is hurting them, won't change their habits.
As I mentionned before, I know of 1 site for sure and have heard from reliable sources from various other places + we all know about the couple of sites that actually stole customer's money. I also know of organized groups of colluders that cheat online because I have been asked to be part of one of those groups.
This is because before I played online, I played a lot of live poker and you meet all kind of people and after some time, they got so used to me that they would just talk about many of their businesses in front of me, well knowing that I was not like them but that I would also not talk to anybody. Many of the old posters surely remember those days.

Anyway, let's not get off topic. As I said, the individual dammage is very little, that some of you lose a few bucks every now and then or don't win that wsop seat you were hoping for won't change your lifes, but those things happen and if I would start making direct accusations don't you think somebody might come and knock on my door? Wouldn't you then think that obligations towards my family and myself are more important than the ones I might have towards the forum?

I can only say that you must keep your eyes open, because in the event things go wrong, many places(I say many because I suppose many sites are not honest, what are the chances that the ones I know of are the only suspicious ones?) don't have your interests as theír first priority.

If you still feel deeply offended that I don't say more and keep posting here, I sugest you do like many others, decide to believe that I am just inventing things or stop reading my posts.

I believe that a small warning is better than no warning at all.

Now, as usual, flame away...

[/ QUOTE ]


Excellent post, William. Thank you for reporting the facts.

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

some people are watching too much of that "Tilt" series nowadays

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

O'Malley has more credibility than you can imagine. He is much more likely to know the inner workings of the securist of areas at the world's largest poker site. He is telling you that things like this are not happening. What credibility do you bring to the table?

If I told you, you would be hiding under your bed for the rest of the week.

And where can I buy a pair of glasses like the one's O'malley using? You know, the ones that won't let you see the rude reality of the outside world? Probably at the Zoo shop. Got the web address? Or a link? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
I like webshops, I don't need to see the daylight that way [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

PS. bonus story: I once had an aunt (she's dead now) that was extremely rich. She had a buttler that hadn't been outside the house in 27 years!! Then one day, the social security office send the buttler a letter telling him he had to show up at their office because they were in doubt that he actually existed so he was forced to go. He died 2 days later! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Have you been to your local Burger King today? It's just around the corner....

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
I believe you, as what you say is well known outside of the the confines of the blinded zoo.

Excerpt from Article

"Cryptologic Inc. and Intercasino.com
Bill Scott also known as William "Billy" Scott is the bookie from Toledo, Ohio and the criminal who financed Cryptologic Inc. and Intercasino.com and Sands of the Caribbean as well as many illegal sportsbooks.
He laundered his heroin and other dirty money by financing Cryptologic Inc. and Intercasino.com and other fraudulent companies. Today, he still does heavy business with the Russian Mafia, Cryptologic Inc. and uses their rigged software under a large number of different names. This is the perfect method to launder his dirty money, and Cryptologic Inc. needs him to support the falling share price of their junk and illegal company, openly trading on the stock market.
Cryptologic's Bill Scott remains in Antigua as a fugitive because he will be arrested if he returns to the U.S because a federal warrant has been issued for his arrest.
Cryptologic's Bill Scott served time in federal prison for racketeering and other offences, including six years in prison for extortion and conspiracy, and he has been heavily involved with heroin and cocaine trafficking, tax fraud and illegal gambling. He served another sentence of two years in federal prison for other offences.
A warrant has been issued for his arrest on felony conspiracy charges, but he's not about to surrender. Cryptologic's Bill Scott is a member of one of Toledo's best known racketeering families and he was arrested and jailed too many times to keep track. "

[/ QUOTE ]


May I ask what source you get your "Article" from?

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]

PS. bonus story: I once had an aunt (she's dead now) that was extremely rich. She had a buttler that hadn't been outside the house in 27 years!! Then one day, the social security office send the buttler a letter telling him he had to show up at their office because they were in doubt that he actually existed so he was forced to go. He died 2 days later!
Have you been to your local Burger King today? It's just around the corner....

[/ QUOTE ]

So the people who are rigging online poker are also responsible for the death of your aunt's butler? Burger King? The initials BK... oh.... OH! You've spilled too much!

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
O'Malley has more credibility than you can imagine. He is much more likely to know the inner workings of the securist of areas at the world's largest poker site. He is telling you that things like this are not happening. What credibility do you bring to the table?

If I told you, you would be hiding under your bed for the rest of the week.

And where can I buy a pair of glasses like the one's O'malley using? You know, the ones that won't let you see the rude reality of the outside world? Probably at the Zoo shop. Got the web address? Or a link? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
I like webshops, I don't need to see the daylight that way [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

PS. bonus story: I once had an aunt (she's dead now) that was extremely rich. She had a buttler that hadn't been outside the house in 27 years!! Then one day, the social security office send the buttler a letter telling him he had to show up at their office because they were in doubt that he actually existed so he was forced to go. He died 2 days later! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Have you been to your local Burger King today? It's just around the corner....

[/ QUOTE ]

Your horsepooh just keeps getting dumber and dumber. Do you really crave attention this much? how about taking another, longer break.

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

Your horsepooh just keeps getting dumber and dumber. Do you really crave attention this much? how about taking another, longer break.

Nah, I like it here. I think I am going to post 40/50 polls a day for a couple of months, invent a few hundred witty names to call people like yourself and when I hit something like 5000 posts, then I might take a VERY small break. I just bought a new fire resistant sweater and I thought I find out how much it can take [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

PS. I always enjoy your posts, I believe we need more of your kind (sound of me pucking) at the Zoo [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I believe you, as what you say is well known outside of the the confines of the blinded zoo.

Excerpt from Article

"Cryptologic Inc. and Intercasino.com
Bill Scott also known as William "Billy" Scott is the bookie from Toledo, Ohio and the criminal who financed Cryptologic Inc. and Intercasino.com and Sands of the Caribbean as well as many illegal sportsbooks.
He laundered his heroin and other dirty money by financing Cryptologic Inc. and Intercasino.com and other fraudulent companies. Today, he still does heavy business with the Russian Mafia, Cryptologic Inc. and uses their rigged software under a large number of different names. This is the perfect method to launder his dirty money, and Cryptologic Inc. needs him to support the falling share price of their junk and illegal company, openly trading on the stock market.
Cryptologic's Bill Scott remains in Antigua as a fugitive because he will be arrested if he returns to the U.S because a federal warrant has been issued for his arrest.
Cryptologic's Bill Scott served time in federal prison for racketeering and other offences, including six years in prison for extortion and conspiracy, and he has been heavily involved with heroin and cocaine trafficking, tax fraud and illegal gambling. He served another sentence of two years in federal prison for other offences.
A warrant has been issued for his arrest on felony conspiracy charges, but he's not about to surrender. Cryptologic's Bill Scott is a member of one of Toledo's best known racketeering families and he was arrested and jailed too many times to keep track. "

[/ QUOTE ]


May I ask what source you get your "Article" from?

[/ QUOTE ]


You care to repsond to me question William?

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

Interesting post, William. Keep it up.

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

You care to repsond to me question William?

sorry, me no can repsont to you kvestion bekos me not make post in first phlace

you now have a netty netty naice dey! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

[ QUOTE ]
In other words, you dont know jack, but are going to throw around "hints" to make it look like you are cool and know something everyone else doesnt?

[/ QUOTE ]

Not sure he exactly looks "cool".

Re: William,care to discuss this?
 

Hey KK,
After a little google searching I found this Website:
http://www.cryptologicsucks.com/

Happy research... Glad I never opened an account there.

X