500BB
 

It's official, that's all.

Scott

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No offense, but you should have told us about it once hit hit 300BB or 400BB, so we could tell you to stop the fck playing. Lots of variance in SH but once you hit the 300BB slide mark, Something Is Wrong.

(Only possible exception to that is the people playing 50-60k hands a month. A 300BB slide once a year or so would probably be expected in that case.)

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I'm sick for you.

Cartman

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It says a lot about your discipline that you got to that spot in the first place. Not that there's much positive to be found from such a disaster, but it is obvious you possess a crucial talent for playing this game. Just trying to shed a little light on your situation...not that I expect it to make you feel good right now. How are you holding up emotionally?

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Hope you pull through it, man. You're solid. Take a break if you can and try to re-evaluate for a bit.

Rob

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i hear all the math about how a downswing cant go longer than X BB's before it must be concluded that you are a loser but i dont buy it - that said i generally agree with gris that once a downswing gets over say 300BB's playing short handed you must start looking at the possibility that your playing bad

perhaps you should cut down the number of tables you play or drop down and crush the new 3/6 game ? (i am dieing for someone to take thier money as the manner in which they play offends me) - i think you need to do something to make it different, to make you start to get back to the basics and have a platform to relaunch the attack

as someone who hasnt quite hit the 400BB mark in a lengthy career of short handed i feel unworthy of giving you advice - but - i can say that i know 2 other players who have hit 400BB downswings who were both undoubtably winning short handed players - if memory serves el diablo reported a 380BB downswing playing 10/20 6 max and apparently he is a poker god - 500BB's is special but not more than 1 further crappy session from what any winning player will experience

if i was you i would suck up that pain and anguish and remember how this will feel in a few weeks time - when you do recover that short term investment imagine the unlikelyhood of what it would take to ever trouble you again happening - part of me is envious

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

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nh, I ran at about 15BB/100 for about 8k hands or something ridiculous like that after my -420 so I hope the variance god kicks your ass back into turbo like me.

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I know someone who's played 200 something thousand hands at 5/10 short and didn't experience a 200 bb downswing until recently. then I know someone else who's had probably 3 or 4 over 1/4 of the other guy's sample, and he plays tighter. so your anecdotal evidence that 400 BB shouldn't happen because it hasnt' happened to you over a loooong period of time is meaningful but I don't think it's anywhere near conclusive. I think looking at stinkypete's graph where he's winning about 3 bb/100 over a lot of hands, with a 400 BB downswing in the middle makes it pretty obvious that these things just happen. I went through a 450 BB downer in a ridiculously small number of hands. on either sides of that I must be running at 4 combined. it's just a weird game.

so I don't think we can write him off yet. didn't schneids have a pretty massive 15/30 downswing? anything is possible and while it's unlikely that he's a winner, it's still possible. logically he should be beating it. but think about it. there are probably 300 people who post on HUSH at least occasionally. you figure one of them will at one point in time hti a downer that bad. it just happened to be him.

moving down is probably a good idea. hiring someone like Alobar who apparently coaches (didn't know till todya) and who also has gone through rough stretches of his own would probably be a worthwhile investment. getting someone better than you to at least say "you must be running bad because I'm sure you're a winner" would be a huge boost of confidence, or "dude you suck" would probably be a good way for you to realize that you're goign about it the right way, or shorthanded play is not right.

I didn't read your post well the first time so I seemed to be disagreeing with points that you didn't make, so just ignore the fact that I'm even replying. sorry I'm late. I guess this makes me a chook?

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Friend of mine had a 350BB downswing in ONE day at 10/20, it proceded to become a 600BB downswing. Took him a month to get out, but he's out now. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hang in there.

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Sounds a lot like megatilt.

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what? at 5/10? i refuse to believe this. could you send me a chunk of hands?

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wo. i'd usually say something like:

It's a Cold World, Baby Girl... and mean that in a mocking, quit your bitchin, and tuffin up you big ole pussy kind of way.

So I'll just say:

It's a cold world, baby girl.... and mean that in an empathetic and heartfelt way. Tuff stuff, bro.

I\'m on a 350BB skid . . .
 

Thought I had it turned around, but it is getting worse. Gonna have to take a break for awhile.

TSP

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300BB here.

I've done a lot of evaluation and have found a number of big-ass leaks. Made a lot of adjustments. Still down 100BB since the adjustments, but am cool with it.

-Milo

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I started 5/10 with 110k hands 2.3BB/100. After that I had a 635BB downswing in 27k hands. The following 20k hands I'm up the downswing and more.
I credit 450BB to variation and the other 235 to my game not being able to handle hitting too few flops and tilting, and not adjusting.
I read the chapter in Poker Essays II (or was it 1?) about downswings - it helped.

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Ugh, I have had two +350BB swings. One at 5/10 and one at 10/20. The later one stretched for nearly 2 months before it turned around for real. Im still playing worse then I did before that 2 months stretch.

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I know someone who's played 200 something thousand hands at 5/10 short and didn't experience a 200 bb downswing until recently. then I know someone else who's had probably 3 or 4 over 1/4 of the other guy's sample, and he plays tighter. so your anecdotal evidence that 400 BB shouldn't happen because it hasnt' happened to you over a loooong period of time is meaningful but I don't think it's anywhere near conclusive. I think looking at stinkypete's graph where he's winning about 3 bb/100 over a lot of hands, with a 400 BB downswing in the middle makes it pretty obvious that these things just happen. I went through a 450 BB downer in a ridiculously small number of hands. on either sides of that I must be running at 4 combined. it's just a weird game.

so I don't think we can write him off yet. didn't schneids have a pretty massive 15/30 downswing? anything is possible and while it's unlikely that he's a winner, it's still possible. logically he should be beating it. but think about it. there are probably 300 people who post on HUSH at least occasionally. you figure one of them will at one point in time hti a downer that bad. it just happened to be him.

moving down is probably a good idea. hiring someone like Alobar who apparently coaches (didn't know till todya) and who also has gone through rough stretches of his own would probably be a worthwhile investment. getting someone better than you to at least say "you must be running bad because I'm sure you're a winner" would be a huge boost of confidence, or "dude you suck" would probably be a good way for you to realize that you're goign about it the right way, or shorthanded play is not right.

I didn't read your post well the first time so I seemed to be disagreeing with points that you didn't make, so just ignore the fact that I'm even replying. sorry I'm late. I guess this makes me a chook?

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IIRC schnieds started the 15 off with a nice $10k+ downer or so combined, if not more.

I think that given the 5/10 6m style and such that some of the 500BB may be tilt/leaks, but a lot of it could still be variance. Really really really sucks that it happened though.

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Ugh, I have had two +350BB swings. One at 5/10 and one at 10/20. The later one stretched for nearly 2 months before it turned around for real. Im still playing worse then I did before that 2 months stretch.

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I don't understand. You seem unhappy about +350BB swings?

On another note, in my limited knowledge of 5/10 6max, I have only had a -120BB swing. This is because I've been trying to cutmyself off and I've been trying to be careful. Even though my bankroll is about 800BBs losing $1000 in a day makes me sick to my stomach so I try to avoid such days.

On a third note, how many hands have you played to lose 500BBs? I don't know if you can be a winning player with a 500BB downswing, unless it happened in a very short number of hands.

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I don't know if you can be a winning player with a 500BB downswing, unless it happened in a very short number of hands.

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You can be a winning player and suffer a 500 BB downswing over 50k hands. The greatest player on earth may lose every hand of poker for the rest of his life. Is either likely? No, but both are possible.

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I don't know if you can be a winning player with a 500BB downswing, unless it happened in a very short number of hands.

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You can be a winning player and suffer a 500 BB downswing over 50k hands. The greatest player on earth may lose every hand of poker for the rest of his life. Is either likely? No, but both are possible.

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You're right of course, but we can say with some percent of certainty that he is a losing player IMO.