Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

A perhaps rather large leak I've found is my tendency to autobet flops after raising preflop. It doesn't matter the texture of the flop, I still bet out, and oftentimes it costs me quite a bit, especially against passive players who are content to let you bet at them on every street.

In light of this, here are ten hands of mine over the past three months where I raised preflop despite an unfavorable flop to some degree or other. I autobet/raised the flop on most if not all of these, but several are rather questionable (though one or two are blatantly obvious bets to me). What's you're plan on these, and do they differ from a simple autobet? What's your plan if you do bet and are raised/checkraised? Skeletal reads are provided for players where I have any at all, as I don't remember what specifics I had at the time, so these reads may actually be more than what I had. Also, not all of these are losses.

Sorry about posting so many of these, but they should go quickly as they're not complete hands.

<font color="blue">Hand 1</font>
MP3: LAP
CO: TAG
SB: SLAA

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero...

<font color="blue">Hand 2</font>
UTG+2: LPP
MP1: LPP

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero...

<font color="blue">Hand 3</font>
SB: LPP
BB: SLAP

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero...

<font color="blue">Hand 4</font>
BB: TAA
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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero...

<font color="blue">Hand 5</font>
BB: LAP
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero...

<font color="blue">Hand 6</font>
UTG+1: LAP
MP1: LPP
MP3: LPP

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero...

<font color="blue">Hand 7</font>
MP2: LAG
CO: LPP

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero...

<font color="blue">Hand 8</font>
MP2: LAG
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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, MP3 calls, Hero...

<font color="blue">Hand 9</font>
SB: SLPP
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero...

<font color="blue">Hand 10</font>
(no reads)

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

Thanks again for taking the time to help out. My overall AF is creeping up over 3 again; maybe this'll help me be a bit more selective with my aggression.

(edit: fixed a couple reads' positions)

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

1. definitely check
2. fold
3. raise or fold. SLAP is not enough to determine which
4. can't decide
5. bet
6. check (next action dependent on odds we get when it gets back to us)
7. bad 3-bet preflop. made your hand terribly hard to play postflop.
8. 3-bet because a player is between you and check call twice if he caps.
9. fold
10. stab at it.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

I'll give a quick shot at these before I go to bed.

Hand 1 - HERO checks I don't see much value in betting this. You are not likely to think out the field. I think I want to see a turn and river as cheaply as possible

Hand 2 - HERO folds. He is likely donking a pair, and on a king high board like this, I'm pretty sure he has a king. As such I don't think we have the odds to continue.

Hand 3 - HERO raises. You have a semi-LAG donking into you, take the chance to try to knock out everyone else.

Hand 4 - HERO calls. Donking like this usually means a pair. I think I call, w/ implied odds I think it's worth it to try to spike an A or K.

Hand 5 - HERO bets. I think the K gives you a lot of fold equity. I'd be alot happier if the button wasn't there. But I think you have to bet it. Probably I fire again on the turn.

Hand 6 - HERO checks - But I am pretty clueless in these situatinos. FWIW Idon't raise KJs here I don't think it has enough equity to make up for having to play it OOP.

Hand 7 - Again I'm clueless. I probably bet here, but I don' think it really matters. With a field this big I don't think you're going to showdown unless you improve.

Hand 8 - Hero Raises - For value. You have everyone trapped for an extra bet. It also makes the hand a lot easier to play as you have clearly defined your hand. If it gets capped and then is two bets back to you on the turn I think I can find a fold.

Hand 9 - Hero Folds. Small pot, I think SB has an ace or a PP way too often to make a continuing profitable.

Hand 10 - Hero Bets - Go ahead and take a shot at it. You will fold them out often enough I think for it to be a good bet.

Hope that helps a little. Most of these are extremely difficult to play, with UI overcards OOP. I have come to play pretty passively with them when the field is big, as you are going to have to improve to win, and I want to put as few bets in as possible if I don't.

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*grunch*
1: Check
2: Fold
3: Fold (Calling sucks, Donk bet screams Q)
4: Fold (Even though we may have 6 outs IMO)
5: Check/Fold(To many outs to lose to, Not last to act)
6: Check/Fold(GS/OC's = 6? Maybe be drawing dead
7: bet, Mp2 may raise and knock out field/Clear outs. see what turn brings
8: Fold.
9: Fold
10: bet

Undecided/Confused on a few of these. Specially 8.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

Here's my lines against unknowns (with question marks over questionable plays):

1) Check.

2) Call, planning to bluff-raise the turn?

3) Raise?

4) Raise for the free card.

5) Check?

6) Check/fold.

7) Bet. Interesting PF move (this is taking LAG into acct), btw.

8) Raise.

9) Raise, bet the turn as last-money.

10) Bet, hope one of them has a 5 and that you suck out on the Ocean (6th board card) for quads jacks: cap to the Ocean for max value here.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

WARNING: i will probably echo others, but i figure if the majority come to agreement, then that should help us all find the best line.

1. check
2. fold
3. raise
4. call
5. bet
6. check (i don't raise preflop here)
7. i don't 3-bet AQo OOP, so you might as well bet. OC, goofy SD, and BDFD. probably check/fold the turn UI though.
8. raise
9. fold
10. bet

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

Ok, I think i am a fair bit more LAG than most, being a 6max-only player, but:

1. Bet and test the waters. Most likely fire again on the turn UI.

2. Fold, likely reverse dominated, or drawing to 3 weak outs.

3. This one is really tough, probably raise and try to get to showdown cheap. If 3bet/donked on 4th or 5th street then lay it down UI (Possibly call on 4th if you pick up a 9 with 3 left in the pot)

4. Im fairly split between raising and calling here, against a TAA i think you have to call and fold the turn UI. If you think you can get him to slow down with a raise then go for it and take the free card.

5. Really not sure how much fold equity is giving you over any J. I think i fire once dependent on my read on the button. Fold to any checkraise or turn donk. Fire again once more on the turn if checked too, but check through the river.

6. I really dont find an equity raise here preflop, its made the postflop harder. Any decent heart is calling you, most Ts and even 9s at this level are too. Although you probably have a lot of outs for a semibluff, they are all tainted, I think you just check here and reevaluate.

7. Bet/Call. Fold turn UI. Fire turn if not raised on flop.

8. Raise and continue with caution. If it gets capped, dont put more than one more bet in on the turn or river.

9. I just call here preflop. But I dont see an SLPP betting without an A or a PP. So fold.

10. Im going to go out on a limb here and say check/call, folding turn UI. At .25/.50 I just see way too many aces not laying down at all just on the off chance they can 'catch' you bluffing.

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*grunch*
1: Check
2: Fold
3: Fold (Calling sucks, Donk bet screams Q)
4: Fold (Even though we may have 6 outs IMO)
5: Check/Fold(To many outs to lose to, Not last to act)
6: Check/Fold(GS/OC's = 6? Maybe be drawing dead
7: bet, Mp2 may raise and knock out field/Clear outs. see what turn brings
8: Fold.
9: Fold
10: bet

Undecided/Confused on a few of these. Specially 8.

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I'd have trouble folding hand 8 on the flop. MP2 is LAG and could easily be raising anything from A3o to 66-TT, or possibly even a draw. I'd need to at least see the turn before I throw away my overpair. Definitely 3-bet the flop, and then you'll have some idea of where you stand on the turn.

- thing85 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

Hand1: Check, evaluate action.
2. Fold.
3. Raise.
4. Call, release UI on turn if bet into again.
5. Bet.
6. Check. Not wild about PF raise OOP against three opponents with a possibly dominated hand.
7. Check. Again, not wild about the OOP 3bet, you're generally only going to eliminate one player, and you're bloating the pot.
8. This one is kind of interesting. A 3bet might be spewing, but I like it better than a call if we are to continue.
9. If he's very passive normally I may fold here.
10. Bets.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

quick grunch:

1. Check
2. Fold
3. Raise
4. Call
5. Bet
6. Check
7. I strongly object to the preflop 3-bet. The way you played it I lead the flop.
8. Reraise
9. Fold
10. Bet

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

After reading the thread, I'm not surprised a bunch of people objected to the pf 3-bet with AQo from the BB. I'm kind of surprised to see people mention that they just check with KJs though. I auto-raise that hand from all positions.

(I know this is a little off-topic -- sorry).

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

These are my suggestions before looking at previous posts:

1. Check/call.
The coordinated flop, multiway hand and OOP is disadvantageous, but the pot is big.

2. Fold.
Small pot and you missed the flop.

3. Call or raise.
I think raising might be best, as BB might be on a draw. If 3-bet and SB is still in hand, pot might be big enough to call to see the turn.

4. Call.
If BB were passive instead of TAA, then I would raise to try to buy a free card.

5. Bet.
You might have the best hand. Bet and see what happens.

6. Check/call.
OOP and a dangerous flop. For 1 bet, wait to see if you improve and that turn is not a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

7. Check/call.
The LAG will probably bet and you would rather see the turn for 1 bet than 2 bets.

8. Call.
I would probably call down as your hand might be best and pot is big.

9. Fold.
SB is passive and you missed the flop.

10. Bet.
The highest card or pair is likely to win this hand. You might have the best hand and possibly fold equity. I would call a raise to see if you improve.

OK now to have a look at the other posts. Your post made quite a nice quiz.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

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After reading the thread, I'm not surprised a bunch of people objected to the pf 3-bet with AQo from the BB. I'm kind of surprised to see people mention that they just check with KJs though. I auto-raise that hand from all positions.

(I know this is a little off-topic -- sorry).

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I'm not sure what is the "correct" move - against 3 opponents I'm playing it a little safer. (Perhaps I'm scared of my own postflop play?)

For me the suitedness of the hand doesn't make up for it being easily dominated (I realize no one raised preflop and the likelihood of domination is small here, but still...) and also I could easily already be behind to a weak ace. I'd raise if I thought I could get even one of my opponents to fold, but since everyone has already put money in I don't think I can, so I just check/call.

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Hand 1: Check and call up to 2 bets. The pot is huge no one's folding.

Hand 2: Fold

Hand 3: I'm interpreting the read of BB as super loose aggressive passive. So i'm rasing to try and get it HU with BB plus theres a good chance your hands still best.

Hand 4: I'd call and dump the turn UI. Tough one. your read of him is tigt aggressive is he predicatble? Does this bet mean top pair or is he solid enough to check raise. He could be trying to defend his blind. Think i'd call down if it was HU but dump the turn if the SB is still hanging around.

Hand 5: Bet/fold.

Hand 6: Check/call you have about 4 outs and although you'll probably be getting the price if someone bets its an awful board and you might be dead already. You could check/fold i suppose but i'd call one and dump the turn UI. I'm not sure to be honest i'd check/call in the heat of the moment but i think check/fold is better.

Hand 7: check/call 1 bet. I wouldn't have 3bet preflop OOP but then again i have no idea how to play AQ. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Hand 8: Raise. If they keep coming at ya call down on the turn from the turn but if faced with 2 cold on the turn i'd fold.

Hand 9: Fold.

Hand 10: check/call. Fold turn UI.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

1 check/fold
2 fold
3 raise
4 call
5 bet
6 bet
7 bet
8 3-bet
9 given your read, fold
10 bet

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

Awesome, a lot more input than what I expected [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Here's how I played these:

Hand 1: I bet out; God knows why. In fact, I bet out every street U/I and was called down by a rivered straight. What the hell was I thinking here?

Hand 2: Folded

Hand 3: Raised and the guy behind me 3-bet. BB didn't cap but I threw my Jacks away regardless. Amusingly enough, the 3-bettor had ATs and lost to BB's KQo.

Hand 4: Raised, was called, and took the pot when I bet a blank on the turn.

Hand 5: Bet, button called. Turn blank, bet/call. River was an 8, but also completed a backdoor flush draw. I bet anyway and he folded. No idea why he stuck around only to fold the river.

Hand 6: I bet out, intending it to be the the last money I put in the pot U/I. The table folded! I don't think I'm getting away with this one very often, heh. FWIW KJs is on my list of "raise always" hands, and is a solid performer.

Hand 7: I thought this might turn some heads. I don't have many hands on the preflop raiser, but I do know he had previously raised PF with 97o. Given that, taking the initiative and seeing if he really had a hand seemed like a decent idea. It's hardly a standard play in my book, and out of the blinds I'm apt to throw AQo away to a normal raise unless the PFR is fairly lagging in which case I make it 3. Only the preflop raiser called; I caught a Queen on the turn to crush his 87s.

Hand 8: I made it 3 bets and the LAG capped. The whole field called down the LAG from there for the privilege of losing to his T5o.

Hand 9: Raised, which only led to him calling me down with A8. Hands like these are why I posted this thread :/

Hand 10: Bet out, bet a blank on the turn but CO raised. I called and the river was a K! We capped and the villain showed...KK. That stung.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

I have a similar leak as you so I appreciate you posting these hands and hearing what everyone thinks on them. Here is what I would probably do (take it with a grain of salt and you are probably best listening to the other posters). I might be blatantly wrong on some of these so feel free to yell at me .

1. check, too many players hanging around to win it right there.
2. fold, probably fold this preflop 10 handed as well.
3. raise, but don't go further UI
4. raise, probably wrong and should just call
5. check/fold
6. check (could bet trying to win the pot there but I wouldn't go further if called), with 4 players you'd be unlikely to knock out even a good heart or a T for one sb.
7. check, pot is huge and there are too many players
8. reraise, MP2 could raise anything there at this level I'd imagine. Your way out front a large percentage of the time I think.
9. fold, passive bettor after 3 betting PF I'd guess he has the ace.
10. bet

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

I would only autobet if heads-up or 3-handed with position and I know the two players are relatively tight. Otherwise, play by the books.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

1: Check/call, there are too many people in the hand to bet

2: Fold, you missed the flop, unless UTG+2 is aggressive

3: Raise, he's not necessarily betting a Q, the pot's big

4: Either raise or call, leaning towards raising for a free card

5: Check/fold, four-handed you have little edge

6: Easy check/fold, this is an awful flop for you to see

7: I would have folded pf after two coldcallers, but now that you 3-bet pf you might bet with your backdoor flush draw. I'd usually check/call.

8: I'd 3-bet here almost always, unless the raiser is super tight. And that would be a hard fold.

9: I think you need to have good player reads here. If he would bet a scare card, I would raise the flop and bet the turn. Otherwise, usually fold, even though it's extremely painful.

10: You probably still have the best hand against bad players. Bet to prevent a free card.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

KQs is pretty much an autoraise for me, with a hand like KJs it really depends on how many players are in and what type of hands they are coming in with. So if there are 3 60+ VPIP donks in the hand sure raise it up, but if the players aren't as loose KJs is not as big of a favorite, is quite possible dominated, and most importantly you are playing OOP. On the button I would raise.

But who knows. I think DeathDonkey wrote recently that at micro-limits it probably wouldn't be that wrong to raise any two suited Broadway cards in any position. And I'm sure he's right.

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8: Fold.

Undecided/Confused on a few of these. Specially 8.

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I'd have trouble folding hand 8 on the flop. MP2 is LAG and could easily be raising anything from A3o to 66-TT, or possibly even a draw. I'd need to at least see the turn before I throw away my overpair. Definitely 3-bet the flop, and then you'll have some idea of where you stand on the turn.

- thing85 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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Yeh as said, this is a confusing hand. I figure....

We've got an UNKNOWN (BB) betting, LAG raising, Its 2back to us and 535 Board.

It could be a MAJOR LOSS (If im calling, chances are im going to river) if we go to river.

I think my recent downswing has made me be a bit weak-tight [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Want to see the TURN ON THIS!

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

This is definitely a big fat leak of mine, too, probably stemming from my no-limit tournament background. I definitely autobet everything I raise because checking as the PFR screams "my overcards whiffed."

That said, I'm still a winning player at .50/1 because . . .

1) they fold;
2) they call and I hit my hand on fourth or fifth street;
3) they call down and show weaker UI OC's than mine

. . . often enough to offset when I lose because someone called me down with fourth pair.

However, I'm starting to keep better track of which players will fold or call me down with bad hands so I don't indiscriminately push so much that my AF is more than the price of a gallon of gas. In California.

This is how I'd play these hands:

1: Bet and hope UTG raises to blow out anyone hanging around with a gutshot. Call if it's one back to you and see what the turn brings.

2: Fold. The K is bad news. What could a LPP be betting with that you beat?

3: Raise to isolate the SLAP. He could be betting with a 10.

4: Ordinarily I might raise here in the hopes of being checked to on the turn to see a free river, but against a TAA that might be wishing for too much.

5: Check. Your hand is toast and if Button is weak, you might just hit your set on the turn for free.

6: Bet. That's a fearsome flop and you could take it down uncontested.

7: Ick. I auto-bet this one, but it's a big fat leak in my game.

8: Reraise. You have an outstanding hand! Push that mother.

9: Fold. The A almost certainly wrecked you.

10: Bet, representing an overpair.

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

I realize this is kind of an old thread, but I was recently directed to it in another thread. My question is on hand #5. The concensus seems to be bet. I used to always bet this type of hand, but now I'm starting to wonder. With 4 people in the pot you are very rarely going to fold them all, and many times you get two callers. Also with 4 there is a decent chance you one of them hit something, and unless it is the 7 you are beat. Do you really think you can fold a J here often enough to make this bet correct? Also what do you do on the turn with two callers and something larger than an 8 falls?

Re: Raising then autobetting missed flops. (Warning: 10 hands)
 

*grunch*
1) check. Too many players involved.
2) fold.
3) raise, and re-evaluate
4) Call and see what the flop brings, or fold . I think this situation is a hole in my game as well.
5) I wouldn't have raised pre-flop there, but I'd bet out and see what happens. Could disguise your hand to be stronger than it is.
6) bet into passive field. If any callers, re-evaluate. Any raises, fold.
7) check/fold. Nothing exciting about this flop, and you are OOP
8) re-raise/cap - unlikely either has a 5
9) fold
10) bet, fold to any raises.