PP 30, Random Turn Checkraises
 

I do not really get this play, but a lot of reasonable opponenets make this play against me all the time. To me it just seems like spewing on their part.

I have AJs UTG+1 and raise. All fold to the BB (20/10/1.4)who calls. Flop is Q,10,4, check, bet, he calls. Turn is Q, check, bet, he check raises, I call. River is a brinck he bets and I call. He shows A9o and MHIG.

To me it seemed very likely he had no hand on the turn. I can't really think of any hand I play as the villian did here so I am wondering if any posters here like to make the type of cr's villian did here (and do you think they are successful for you).

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If I were BB, I'd be more inclined to c/r if the ten paired.

To answer your question, no. I will find certain spots to semi-bluff c/r the turn online, but this wasn't even a good semi-bluff and I agree. It's chip spewing. Gotta love it though.

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He's counting on the fact that you cannot call down with A high every time because he'll frequently have some sort of pair here (a T being most likely). But I agree that this is a pretty bad check-raise on his part.

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Yeah, I Agree the Q was a terrible card to SB on.

When I do want to SB in these HU scenarios though my action almost never goes check call then check raise. Mostly becasue I very rarely play a legit hand this way. If I have a hand that 1 card can improve enough to allow a check raise I am usually putting some pressure on the flop. Also, I am frequently leading the turn.

There have been a couple times that opponents have played a Q like that against me, but it is pretty rare and I found it rather tricky at the time (since I called down light).

I guess I just do not really ever outright bluff (always semi) so these plays make me scratch my head.

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Isnt a 10 making some noise on the flop?

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Isnt a 10 making some noise on the flop?

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Why?

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Isnt a 10 making some noise on the flop?

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Why?

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Because he thinks he has the best hand and doesnt want to give free cards.

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Just because you would play it this way, or that it is the correct way, does not mean it is the way most opponents will play a T.

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Isnt a 10 making some noise on the flop?

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Why?

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Because he thinks he has the best hand and doesnt want to give free cards.

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What free cards? Are you saying he should be worried that the guy who 3-bet preflop will check behind on the flop?

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No, I would check raise the flop if I were him with a 10.

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Just because you would play it this way, or that it is the correct way, does not mean it is the way most opponents will play a T.

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I know, Im not saying he cant have a 10. I just think more times than not a 10 would c'r the flop. Obviously I am not going to win 100% of the time when I call down. I just do not think the play makes a lot of sense since I think I need to be inclined to call down.

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I'm not sure this is a profitable river call.

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this hand is real ugly.
he played it worse than you.
check turn.

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Hey, I'm also having a problem about how this hand was played. Say if BB is loose and is willing to call a raise here about 40% of the time, what do you do then if he raises you on the turn? Do you give him credit for a made hand or a pure bluff, they'll bluff on the river close to 100% of the time if just called. We have to remember since the T paired up our A might not even be good. How do you play AJ against someone who is constantly bluffing the turn like this with a light hand?

The problem with me is, I tend to give them too much credit when I know that they're real loose on the blinds or on the button. I mean if you don't hit it's real tough to play against someone who's willing to raise second or third pair in this position. Is calling down here profitable? Maybe against some players but I don't think it's still worth calling down. That's my leak right now against loose aggressive opponents, any suggestions?

A read on the player is probably the best way to recognize if he's willing to bluff on the turn with garbage. Instead of reraising on the turn(making him fold), maybe we can just call him down and see a showdown. I think this is the best way to find out whether they're willing to go out of line.