River decision
 

I sat down a few hands ago, but pokertracker tells me that villain is very loose, with moderate aggression. So, river decision-time.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($61.35)
BB ($39.25)
UTG ($198)
MP ($244)
CO ($380.52)
Hero ($245.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($23) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $17</font>, UTG calls $17.

Turn: ($57) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($57) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $70</font>, Hero...

Dumle

Re: River decision
 

From what you wrote sounds like he is your typical party $200NL fish right?

If so I say pop-em, especially if your being as aggressive as your preflop raise leads me to believe. Fish pay off on far more occasions then they have the goods.

Re: River decision
 

This wakeup is odd (I wouldn't be terribly surprized to see A5 here from a bad player).. When bad players make odd raises on the river warning bells goes off in my head, especially if he is moderately aggressive.

If villain is bad enough to consider AJ as the nuts here tho, you might stack him. Another possibility is 5x, slowplayed until "just the right time" ofcourse. Read-dependant, but atleast call.

Re: River decision
 

I'm not crazy about pf, but meh.

Call the river.

Re: River decision
 

I'm not crazy about pf, but meh.

Isolating here is a no-brainer, IMO.

Call the river.

You don't even consider pushing? How come?

Dumle

Re: River decision
 

This wakeup is odd (I wouldn't be terribly surprized to see A5 here from a bad player).. When bad players make odd raises on the river warning bells goes off in my head, especially if he is moderately aggressive.

Exactly what I was thinking. I usually try to get as much money in with straights and flushes against poor opponents, even on paired boards, because I know they can't let go of trips. But this check-raise really threw me off.

Dumle

Re: River decision
 

From what you wrote sounds like he is your typical party $200NL fish right?

Pretty much, yeah.

If so I say pop-em, especially if your being as aggressive as your preflop raise leads me to believe. Fish pay off on far more occasions then they have the goods.

You don't think his check-raise is somewhat odd here? I really have no idea what his hand range could be, since I see this move so seldom.

Dumle

Re: River decision
 

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I'm not crazy about pf, but meh.

Isolating here is a no-brainer, IMO.

Call the river.

You don't even consider pushing? How come?

Dumle

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So your isolating because 'pokertracker tells me'. I believe you should only isolate if you've seen villain play bad enough poker for yourself.

Anyhow, villians line here is synonymous with 5x, so I call.

Re: River decision
 

So your isolating because 'pokertracker tells me'. I believe you should only isolate if you've seen villain play bad enough poker for yourself.

Someone with stats 50/10/1 over a couple of hundred hands very rarely plays good poker. You are missing up on a lot of money if you don't target these.

Anyhow, villians line here is synonymous with 5x, so I call.

If you think that is his hand, and you think he will call with it (and he very likely will), a push would be the correct play.

Dumle

Re: River decision
 

pretty easy call i think.

Re: River decision
 

hero calls w/o thinking twice, but doesn't raise because villian has A5 or absolute trash

Results
 

I pushed and he called with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MHIG.

Dumle

Re: Results
 

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I pushed and he called with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MHIG.

Dumle

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man i hope he never realizes a lone A beats him here [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: River decision
 

This will sound funny, but in this spot I never isolate UTG, I generally would over limp.

Villain doesnt have J5 or AA, KK, or JJ. You say he's loose, but K5 limp/calling is unlikely. just one combination of 55, so it's a matter of did he check three streets with a flop boat?

I normally shove here, although maybe calling is better. River c/r are so weird

Re: River decision
 

I'd push.

Re: River decision
 

Overall pushing is -ev here since usually only A5 is going to play a hand like this and then call a push (based on how the hand was played). But this is 200 NL so... Nice one. (5x with QT off? yikes...)

Re: River decision
 

If villain is bad enough to play 5x or AJ like this he is calling a push too...