Is there a single hand I\'m ahead of here?
 

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises</font>, 2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, 2 folds</font>, Button 3-bets</font>, 2 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets</font>, Hero folds

Re: Is there a single hand I\'m ahead of here?
 

If Button has a tight 3-betting range, then no. However, given the pot size, you should call one SB to see the turn for your straight and trips possibilities and c/f the turn UI. Player reads would definitely help here. Is he loose or tight, passive or aggressive, or neutral. does he auto bet the flop after a raise.

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No super-accurate reads on button -- I hadn't seen him 3 bet preflop in like an hour though. I guess it's not totally inconceivable he has AJ, AT...but that seems like a stretch.

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Consider capping preflop.

bet/3bet flop.

your ahead of too many hands to even list here...

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I agree with capping PF and opening on the flop. If you call the 3-bet then consider c/r the flop. but if the Button has a tight 3-bet range (let's assume AA-TT, AK, AKs, AQs, maybe AQ, and MAAAAYBE AJs). which hands are you ahead of beside AJs?

Edit: Also, some of the hands you are drawing to are counterfeit and some lead to a split pot.

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You may be behind, but with the pot lying 11.5:1, I don't see a fold here. In fact, I'd raise to get rid of MP2. If you're unimproved on the turn and Button bets again, you have a much harder decision.

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Hi Claunchy this does suck and your equity probably isn't great against a standard 3-bet range but with the nut gut shot straight draw and tptk you at least need to peel on the flop.

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bet/3bet flop.

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I think this is a great way to spew some chips if this guy isn't lag.

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1. Why didn't you cap PF? If you don't cap with AQs, what hands do you cap? There's only four better starting hands so you might as well turn your cards face up at that point.

2. At first I thought the Flop was a typo...11.5 bets, TPTK, gutshot to the nuts and you fold for a SB?

Hindsight dosen't count either. It dosen't matter to me how this hand turned out and you were oh so clever to fold a big pot for a single bet because Button had JJ and 2 blanks landed.

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i think it's a good laydown given no read was posted. good luck counting outs on this one.
1. the flush
2. possibly already behind to a straight or trips
3. might split pot if you hit a non-[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K
4. your Ace gives KK a straight.

there is nothing good here.

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I heart you. Nice laydown. You beat AJs here since I don't think he would 3bet with A10 but you never know. He could be sitting with 99 but doubtful. Niiiice fold again but I think I cap it preflop and bet the flop and fold to a raise but im the spewing master so don't listen to me.

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No super-accurate reads on button -- I hadn't seen him 3 bet preflop in like an hour though.

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Do you have ANYTHING on him? You've been with him for an hour, you've got to have some stats, some other hands he's played/showed down, etc?

This is a toughie, because your automatic reaction is going to be, "I've got TPTK and a draw to the nut straight," but @b is right...against even a loose-ish preflop 3-betting range the best you're getting is a split, so you have to cut your odds in half and you don't have enough to continue. Good laydown.

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Eskimo - bet/3bet flop? What does that accomplish?

bozlax - I dunno. I'm 4 tabling and I don't use PT. If he had done anything super-weird I would have noticed it, but he hadn't. Just your average pretty loose, not terribly aggressive .5/1 player.

To those who said peel one, what card am I looking for? I guess if one of the 2 Qs left hits I'm okay, but one of those is a club so even that out is sorta tainted.

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This is why we have reads on people. You're not getting any accurate advice without them.

The chances you're ahead of AJ + your gutshot draw make this an easy call.

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Frank - 1. No, I haven't been capping AQs preflop. Maybe I should be.

2. I don't even remember what hand won this, and I definitely was not posting to brag about my Hellmuth-esque laydown skills in Party .5/1. This is probably the only time I've ever layed down TPTK for one SB EVER.

I simply want to know if there's any chance I'm ahead on the flop, and if I'm not, what reasonable draws do I have?

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DC - So am I calling down to the river assuming nothing scary hits?

And my gutshot draw is almost certainly to a split pot.

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How can you check that flop?

It's a hella-scary board but you must bet out, imho.

If you check and he bets what does that tell you? Based on his preflop action he's going to bet in that situation 100%, even if he missed totally.

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Pre-flop: I'd cap here more often than not given that we're suited. If we had AQo and OOP against a 3-bettor, I'd probably just call.

Flop: I like a check here. This isn't a board where I'm leading against a 3-bettor OOP. Peel a card off the flop though. You're getting 11.5:1.

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I simply want to know if there's any chance I'm ahead on the flop, and if I'm not, what reasonable draws do I have?

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I think what the others are saying is there's no way to know this without reads.

You know what a tight 3bet range is, and you're behind every one of those hands except (maybe) 99 (you know, I guess I'm not sure what a tight 3bet range is, too much 6max lately).

Here it's useful to know two things; does our man 3bet light generally (you say you didn't notice him 3bet in an hour or more of playing, so it seems likely he's tight with it), and what is your own table image? Is it possible the other players think you're raising light and would adjust to that?

I've been getting 3bet a lot by AJo, and ATo lately. I make a point to make a note when that happens, as I don't think of those as 3betting hands personally. But of course, if I have a read a guy raises light, then I open that up myself, and I'm more willing to 3bet AJo or KQo.

This is a roundabout way of saying there's no way to know for sure if you're ever ahead here. Against a reasonable opponent you probably aren't, but many many people at .5/1 aren't reasonable.

BTW, I generally don't cap AQs preflop either, although in a multiway (4 handed or more, including myself) I might think about it. I've been playing at Absolute for a while though, so I don't see many multiway pots. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

I think your K outs are good for at least a split, and beyond that I can't say.

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With no reads, I peel one off on the flop to try to snag a king or queen.