A new poker analysis site that i\'ve been working on
 

I've been working a site called pokergrader for a while, and I was wondering if any of you guys wanted to give me feedback on it.

It is found at http://www.pokergrader.com/ and currently only accepts PartyPoker/EmpirePoker Hold'em cash game hand histories (PL, NL, or any limit).

So if you want to help me out, just throw in some of your hand histories (multiple hand histories is fine as well, just keep it under 1000 hands), and look at the results page. If you see any statistics you would like to see but are missing, please tell me.

I am working on the page now to explain everything, but as a general rule, "Actual x" is whatever actually happened, and "Potential x" is what the average of whatever that statistic should be (Potential % of pots won based on opponents, Potential profit based on the strength of your hands, etc).

If you have any questions I would be glad to answer them, I am just wondering if it is a worthwhile site for people to plug their logs into. I made it for myself, but it became complex enough that I thought I'd share it with the online community and see if anybody else finds it useful.

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http://www.pokergrader.com/display.php?a=10&p=1

Here is an example output for those that don't have the right type of hand history.

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i haven't tried it out yet but this looks cool. i'll give it a shot later.

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If you have any questions I would be glad to answer them, I am just wondering if it is a worthwhile site for people to plug their logs into.

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Pretty nice, but it would be as sweet as a picture of nectar if you could upload an entire session, instead of just a table's worth of hand histories.

BTW, I obviously tried to do my whole session (2,600+ hands), and the thing "fatal errored" me... sorry if I messed it up or something.

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If you have any questions I would be glad to answer them, I am just wondering if it is a worthwhile site for people to plug their logs into.

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Pretty nice, but it would be as sweet as a picture of nectar if you could upload an entire session, instead of just a table's worth of hand histories.

BTW, I obviously tried to do my whole session (2,600+ hands), and the thing "fatal errored" me... sorry if I messed it up or something.

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It previously had a hard limit of 1000 hands, but I just upped that to 3000, so if you try again, it may work.

However, I am guessing the error may have been that you put too much text into the hand history window (which wouldn't be your fault, just a problem with the browser), but I would need to know exactly what the error was first. So if you could just try again, and if there is an error, post here exactly what it is.

If the browser is the problem, I can update the upload method to allow you to choose a file instead of copy/pasting into the window.

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If you have any questions I would be glad to answer them, I am just wondering if it is a worthwhile site for people to plug their logs into.

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Pretty nice, but it would be as sweet as a picture of nectar if you could upload an entire session, instead of just a table's worth of hand histories.

BTW, I obviously tried to do my whole session (2,600+ hands), and the thing "fatal errored" me... sorry if I messed it up or something.

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It previously had a hard limit of 1000 hands, but I just upped that to 3000, so if you try again, it may work.

However, I am guessing the error may have been that you put too much text into the hand history window (which wouldn't be your fault, just a problem with the browser), but I would need to know exactly what the error was first. So if you could just try again, and if there is an error, post here exactly what it is.

If the browser is the problem, I can update the upload method to allow you to choose a file instead of copy/pasting into the window.

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Tried it again:

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 84 bytes) in Unknown on line 0

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Ok, I know what the problem is.

I'm going to add in an option to upload a file instead of copy/pasting into the box, which will be much easier for somebody uploading large files and it will also fix this error. Thanks for the feedback, ill post here again when I have fixed it.

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I think that is a pretty neat program. How about a downloadable version that could handle more hands in a quicker amount of time?

Are you planning on improving on this program? Also, I'm a little confused about the potential profit graph, how does that work? Does it just look at your cards and the board cards and see if you should have won/loss if you had stayed in to the river?

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The potential profit is what the whole program is made around. When I finish up all the technical stuff, im going to write a file that will explain everything.

But in a nutshell: The potential profit looks at your card and the board, then based on the strength of your hand and the number of opponents you are against, and the amount that was bet, determines how much you will win on average by playing that hand a certain way.

For example, if you have the nuts, then 100% of what goes in to the pot counts as potential profit. As the strength of your hand goes down, so does the amount you "earn" in potential profit. So basically, if you put your money into the pot with good hands, you will get a high potential profit, regardless of whether or not you win the pot. If you put your money into the pot with bad cards, your potential profit will negative.

The "Report Card" section of the website also uses these numbers, for example checking to see what strength of hand you raise with on the river. If you are raising with bad hands on the river, it probably isn't a good play, and the report card will mark you as such.

The main reason I created it was because after having bad runs, I wanted a little extra confidence that it really was bad cards. Pokergrader doesn't actually look at the outcome of the hand to determine anything in the report card (other than your bluffing) or anything in the potential profit graph, it is only based on how good your hand is when you put money into the pot. So as a general rule, no matter what your profit graph looks like, your potential profit graph should be a pretty linear graph going up if you are a winning poker player.

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Well, after dropping 110BB in the last 24 hours while 4-tabling, the site gives me an A. Cold comfort, I guess.

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If you have any questions I would be glad to answer them, I am just wondering if it is a worthwhile site for people to plug their logs into.

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Pretty nice, but it would be as sweet as a picture of nectar if you could upload an entire session, instead of just a table's worth of hand histories.

BTW, I obviously tried to do my whole session (2,600+ hands), and the thing "fatal errored" me... sorry if I messed it up or something.

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It previously had a hard limit of 1000 hands, but I just upped that to 3000, so if you try again, it may work.

However, I am guessing the error may have been that you put too much text into the hand history window (which wouldn't be your fault, just a problem with the browser), but I would need to know exactly what the error was first. So if you could just try again, and if there is an error, post here exactly what it is.

If the browser is the problem, I can update the upload method to allow you to choose a file instead of copy/pasting into the window.

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Tried it again:

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 84 bytes) in Unknown on line 0

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Alright, I added in a file upload mode, and I just test uploaded a hand history file with 2700 hands and it worked fine. So just collect them all into one file and upload it using the file upload page (You will see a link to it on the main page).

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I'm having trouble understanding what those percentages mean next to bet, raised, call, check, etc.

Cool program though.

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I just added the answer to the faq, thanks for the question:

The numbers themselves stand for what percentage of hands you are beating. If the number is 100%, you are beating all hands and therefore have the nuts. To figure out this number, just count the number of hands that are beating you and divide it by the number of available hands left. Then subtract that number from 100%. Pokergrader goes a little beyond this by weighing hands that are more likely played more than hands that are not likely to be played, but estimating using this method will be close to what pokergrader calculates.

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"Your hand history is currently processing. Try refreshing this page in a few seconds."

How long does this usually take?

I uploaded 1700 hands.
It's been giving me that message for about 30 minutes.

Thanks

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Does it support HHs exported from Pokertracker?

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Does it support HHs exported from Pokertracker?

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It doesn't look like it...

I think this is important... Since I delete my HH files off my computer at least once a day, Analysis of hands played a few days (or months) ago would not be easily done. I can export HHs to multiple files and combine, if needed, to 1 file to use as input.

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looks awesome, id be very interested in using it if i could import all of my hands (not just < 1k) from PT HH exports.

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Are you saving the imported Hand Histories as a form of datamining?

Not being combative, I am just wondering if you are keeping and storing the HH that people are importing into the site?

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"Your hand history is currently processing. Try refreshing this page in a few seconds."

How long does this usually take?

I uploaded 1700 hands.
It's been giving me that message for about 30 minutes.

Thanks

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It shouldn't take more than a few minutes. I'll look into this, thank you for reporting it.

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Does it support HHs exported from Pokertracker?

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I have never seen this particular format before, but if anybody wants to send me a pokertracker HH file I could try to add in pokertracker support to the parser. You could either post it here or email it to pokergrader@gmail.com

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Are you saving the imported Hand Histories as a form of datamining?

Not being combative, I am just wondering if you are keeping and storing the HH that people are importing into the site?


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I was thinking about putting up a privacy policy but decided not to since I didn't think anybody would care, but ill throw it into the FAQ. All uploaded hand histories are deleted in a maximum of 12 hours from when they were uploaded, and the output pages stay active for at least 12 but not more than 24 hours after they are processed.

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Programming is my day job. I have thought about writing some poker software, but I wanted to keep my hobby seperate from my job.

I did THINK about how I would go about it. Did you write your own hand analysis (what beats what) system? Can you describe it in broad strokes? (or not, I respect your right to keep your programming ideas to yourself.)

-D

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"Your hand history is currently processing. Try refreshing this page in a few seconds."

How long does this usually take?

I uploaded 1700 hands.
It's been giving me that message for about 30 minutes.

Thanks

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Ok, this problem has been solved. I just ran a test with over 2500 hands and it worked fine.

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It would be really awesome if you could set this up so that hands exported from PT would work. PM me if you still need some to test.

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Very nice!

Remove "Game #<do not remove this line!> starts." from the PT hands.

It would be useful to have a link to the hand history with the lucky hands.

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It would be really awesome if you could set this up so that hands exported from PT would work. PM me if you still need some to test.

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I'm not sure where PMs are in this forum, but I definetly still need a PT hand history to check out the format. If you could email it to pokergrader@gmail.com that would be great. The more comprehensive the log the better (IE all types of things, split pots, showdowns, all-ins, etc).

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Okay, I will send some in a few minutes.

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in between hands, there is this:

XX wins $14.75 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and eights with ten kicker.
Game #<do not remove this line!> starts.
***** Hand History for Game XXX *****

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Also, im working on adding in things such as BB/100, BB/Hr, etc. And I was wondering if there were any other statistics you would want when analyzing your play (Preferably something you wont find in the desktop poker tracking software packages).

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no one is really uneasy about giving him all this info, for all we know he could be making a huge database of all party+affiliate games.. you know?

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no one is really uneasy about giving him all this info, for all we know he could be making a huge database of all party+affiliate games.. you know?

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True enough but look here. Poker Room is giving away stats for free!

With Poker Tracker and a few skins, you can build a giant DB in no time yourself.

So, while this could be a ruse to gather info. 1. he says it's not. 2. he provides something useful and you can decide if it's worth it. 3. he could make his database easier ways.

Use a search and replace on your name if you are nervous. Or don't use his page.

If you really care; get someone to whip up a script to rename all the players to neutral names: player1 player2 player3 ...

-D

p.s.
P.M. me for custom programming. I only charge $100/hr. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

p.p.s
PokerGrader,
Get a few poker ads up there! Then people will see how you make $$$ from the site and won't accuse you of downloading thier databases.

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no one is really uneasy about giving him all this info, for all we know he could be making a huge database of all party+affiliate games.. you know?

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I do understand your concern. If you can find me a service online that will change all the names to anonymize hand histories, I would be glad to link to it in the FAQ just so other users who are worried about privacy would not have a problem using the service.

And just a note on security, once the hand histories are uploaded, they are inaccessable via the web, and are automatically deleted within 12 hours. The results pages have no mention of your username or any usernames of your opponenets, nor is your username stored anywhere on the server. It is only used as a one-time command line argument for the operation of the pokergrader software.

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I added in BB/100 and potential BB/100, and it now supports pokertracker hand histories from partypoker and empirepoker.

Im still working on adding support for pokerstars and ultimatebet.

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heh im not trying to accuse you of it, i was just suprised as hell that no-one had questioned your integrity.

I personally dont care if you have my stats.

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This is a great site and pretty interesting.

One other suggestion, I read the Faq and think you should clarify the grading procedure a bit more.

Is this going to be a paysite or are you just going to set up a link for voluntary donations. I would not mind throwing out a few $, for something like this.

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I've tried uploading 100 hands a couple of times and I just get 'Your hand history is currently processing. Try refreshing this page in a few seconds.' I've refreshed after a few minutes and get same thing. Is the site not working right now?

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There were a few odd problems before I was working on, but this is probably because your hand history is the wrong format.

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I get the same problem. I am guessing it is not built to handle emailed hand histories?

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Nope, not right now. But im working on adding support for it.

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Sorry to keep bumping the thread like this, but if you had tried to put in a big hand history before (2000-3000 hands) and it didn't work, try again. I just fixed a major problem involving large hand histories, and now it will work flawlessly up the maximum limit of 5000 hands.

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i dont know if someone already adressed this but what if your playing with multiple aliases?

Also again i dont know if anyone mentioned this but you should make it possible to upload more than 1 hand history file, i cant export them to more than 300hands per file

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A quick workaround is just to copy/paste multiple files into a single txt file, and upload that.

And to fix the username issue, just do a search/replace and change all occurances of your other usernames to the main username.

I'll start working on a multiple file upload page to make this easier in the future.