Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

Multitabling, no good reads. I don't remember what he was then but here's my current stats on the SB:
20.61/5.45/1.52 (165 hands)

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Ok, I think this calls for a slow play? Though I was the raiser so maybe I should have bet out.

Turn: (3 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls.

I still have the nuts, though if the board pairs or a flush comes out I might have a problem.

River: (11 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

I think it's +EV to raise here, if I am raised and lose more than 1/3 of the time it isn't but if I win more than 2/3's of the time I will have +EV (assuming the raise is called, which I think it will be). I still beat a lot of stong hands. Am I strong enough to cap? Then I only have to win more than 1/2 of the time to show a profit (against a stronger set of hands).

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

hmmm....with the turn cap it looks like he slowplayed a flopped set or straight. River raise is definitely correct and I think you can probably cap it here, expecting to see 99-JJ, 87 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]/ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] twice as often as a flush.

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

1) The first rule of Fight Club is: bet the flop.
2) The second rule of Fight Club is: BET THE FLOP.

Turn and river look fine.

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

I don't like the flop check here. If I lose to runner, runner, then TILT. Maybe the SB will play back at you here, thus greatly reducing the likelihood that he holds a flush draw and allowing you to cap the riv with confidence.

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hmmm....with the turn cap it looks like he slowplayed a flopped set or straight. River raise is definitely correct and I think you can probably cap it here, expecting to see 99-JJ, 87 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]/ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] twice as often as a flush.

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Wouldn't this line support a flop bet?

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

I really don't think we have to worry about a flush on the river given that SB lead the turn. He could have slowplayed a set, the low end of the st, or you're splitting. If he did hit a flush here, I'm paying him off. Cap it.

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

*grunch*

Bet the flop. You were the PFR and I think everyone was just giving you the change to lead out on the flop.

Turn screams that SB most likely had a hand on the flop and wanted to C/R you. He either hit his set of 9s (JJ or TT is a 3-betting hand though the SBs PFR% is a little low (small sample size I know), so ???), hit 2 pair like 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], or also flopped a straight.

I would probably cap the river not fearing the flush to much and if he turns over 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] tell him NH and move on. Any other flush, he gets a nice little note.

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

I think a flop check here is ok. There's no flush drawn and we're not forcing out anyone with a gutshot to the top end or an OESD so the protection reason is null. We have the nuts here and I think checking the flop and leading/raising the turn is good because we might get some more bets out of someone who wants to keep chasing.

If we lead the flop, then lead a blanked turn, we might fold some people out of the turn who would otherwise pay us off if we act passive on the flop.

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

BET THE FLOP. The rest looks fine.

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I think a flop check here is ok. There's no flush drawn and we're not forcing out anyone with a gutshot to the top end or an OESD so the protection reason is null.


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Only problem is your rationale is the exact reason you bet, becuase all the people with these draws are going to call.


This is a horribly boring hand as its an easy finger never leaves the bet button, as most 'I flopped the nuts, but have no reads' hands are.

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

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hmmm....with the turn cap it looks like he slowplayed a flopped set or straight. River raise is definitely correct and I think you can probably cap it here, expecting to see 99-JJ, 87 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]/ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] twice as often as a flush.

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Wouldn't this line support a flop bet?

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yeah, I just never bothered to comment on the flop. The river cap was more intriguing to me as the flop is kind of an auto-bet without thinking kind of play.

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

My main reason for checking here is that I think if we take the lead, we force out draws like gutshots and OESDs if they whiff on the turn. There are more bricks in that deck than scare cards and I think the risk:reward ratio here is in our favor enough to warrant a check and make the drawing hands pay big bets on the turn with poor odds.

SB seems like he could be a rather tight player. If we bet the flop and he calls and the turn bricks out, he's likely to dump it to our bet, but if we check the flop, bet the turn, I think he'll stick a long with a worse hand more often.

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

My thoughts on checking the flop were to keep around weak pairs and hope they hit a second-best hand or a weak draw? I probably take this line far to often and don't bet enough for value here.

Re: Flopped a straight, now what (and when to raise/cap the river)?
 

There's a lot of overanalysis on why Hero should bet the flop here.

You bet the flop for value. MANY MANY MANY worse hands and/or draws will call.