Very marginal situation, 94o
 

Opponent is pretty TAG, thought this was kind of interesting, but may be not. Is calling this river suicide?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) converter

CO ($189.80)
Button ($312.95)
SB ($83.05)
Hero ($253.65)
UTG ($66)
MP ($253)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($5) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($9) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, CO calls $7.

River: ($23) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $14</font>, Hero calls $14.

Final Pot: $51

Re: Very marginal situation
 

i think a raise on the flop to 7 (pot size) would be better to snap off any continuation bets.. alot easier to make a decision rather than calling then just leading out, his call on the turn scares me very much since the 4 kicker is pretttty bad. if anything it looks like he's beating you and letting you hang yourself..

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

I raise or fold on the flop. I think calling is the worst option. If my raise doesn't win it there, I'm done with hand/proceeding very cautiously.

Re: Very marginal situation
 

He just limped preflop, is that still considered a continuation bet?

Would you actually plan on CRing this flop, or just betting out?

Re: Very marginal situation
 

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He just limped preflop, is that still considered a continuation bet?

Would you actually plan on CRing this flop, or just betting out?

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Continuation bet/bet with nothing trying to take it down, same thing.

It depends on the villain, usually i'll just bet out.

Re: Very marginal situation
 

i probably wouldnt have checked with the intention of check-raising but after a weak ass bet, i often raise..

and i didnt mean continuation bet.. i bet at flops like that heads up with any 2 cards. a raise would either take it down or allow you to fold w/o bettin that turn/calling that river.

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

As this hand itself played out, I may very well call this river bet... to the villian, your call / bet / check sequence of events looks like you're trying to bluff him off his hand on the turn, and give it up on the river.

This hand is a pain in the ass to play, I'd like to lead out on the flop here, but the boards so draw heavy you don't know if villian is crushing you or drawing against you.

This may be weak/tight, but OOP with such a weak kicker on a draw heavy board, I just check/fold this. Although I play full ring as apposed to 6 max which may influence my decisions here, but I don't want to play in big pots with this sort of hand, OOP with no idea where you are in the hand.

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

I think you played it fine. I have a tendency to raise weak flop bets like that just to take it down, however i'd be more inclined to do that with a hand with less showdown value. I like the turn stop n go and the river check-call. I don't see any other lines being far superior.

KoW

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

Does anyone block this river?

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

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I raise or fold on the flop. I think calling is the worst option. If my raise doesn't win it there, I'm done with hand/proceeding very cautiously.

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Interesting, I think calling is the best option, with raising being the worst and folding being not so good.

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

What about seeing the turn for cheap, and seeing if your pot equity jumps 10-30%+ if opponent is on a draw or overcards? Then make him pay.

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

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Does anyone block this river?

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I think the problem with a block in this spot is that you're either going to prevent a last ditch bluff from a missed draw or induce a bluff raise from a missed draw. Either way you lose out.

You might get a call from an 8, although I think most of those would fold the river after your turn and river bets.

KoW

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

i'm leading this flop 100% of the time

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

swolfe already said this, but why not lead here? You have top pair in an unraised pot, a raise of your bet isnt going to cause you to make much of a decision. A call might make it a little tricky but I think you take it down here enough times to make it worth it.

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

As its only you and 1 more I like leading/raising this one. But what do you do if theres 2 more? 3 more? I've been trying out some stuff but check/fold flop and bet turn seems to work best for me but I'm not sure.

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

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i'm leading this flop 100% of the time

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What's your plan for the turn if called and a blank turn? club turn?

I assume we're dumping to a flop raise?

Just curious.

KoW

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

I agree. I don't really like raising here. I would call and see what the turn brings. Folding is not the worst option either, but a little weak IMO.

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

Looks like TJ. I'd muck for that river bet. What hand do you possibly beat? Only the flush draw didn't fill up, but all others did. Give it up, you're not going to make any money with that hand. After the turn call, yuo're pissed..

Re: Very marginal situation, 94o
 

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As its only you and 1 more I like leading/raising this one. But what do you do if theres 2 more? 3 more? I've been trying out some stuff but check/fold flop and bet turn seems to work best for me but I'm not sure.

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yeah, if there were more limpers, i'd obviously play it more cautiously. depending on who it was and what i think they limped in with, i may check/fold or i may lead at it...in this case, with a limper from CO, i'm betting the flop.

if they call, i'll probably fire again on the turn, then i'm not putting any more money in without improvement.

Results
 

Opponent had 6d7c, MHIG.

Trying not to be results orienated. I like this line when I think opponent is on a draw, but it seems like I'd have to be pretty certain and would be costly when wrong. I'll have to take the advice people gave me who've been playing longer, and are most definitely better than I, next time I'll just bet the flop.

Re: Results
 

It looked like villain was on a draw. I was thinking 10J or missed clubs like previous poster suggested. Luckily, it was 67, but I am not sure this line would be +EV long term. I think the hand is too marginal to be making a call like this IMO.