True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

Bump.

The worst thing, at least for me, is how much I was looking forward to this tournament, and all these 2+2 tournaments, and with how poorly this turned out I've lost a lot of desire to play another. I'm sure it will come back as we move towards the next KotZ tourney (man I wish I hadn't missed the first) but right now its just deflating.

I feel the worst for Mike though who went through all the effort and now has twice as much to do as the clusterf*ck get sorted out. Sorry Mike. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

FalsePoker has good AWOL.

Just reassuring how much they suck. Again with the slow decision.

I think I'll request 22 - $1 checks for the next 22 days. That'll be fun.

[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img],
JT

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

Dude take a pill, they had a problem, happens to the best of us and they best company's(not claiming that either in this situation fit that bill) Did you even make the break? Yes you could have gone to foxwoods, but you could have dropped 5 hunny there, so forgive and forget and long live the ZOO.

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

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Dude take a pill

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Gladly, what do you got?

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they had a problem, happens to the best of us and they best company's(not claiming that either in this situation fit that bill)

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Yes, it does. However, the best companies tackle such issues without delay.

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Did you even make the break?

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No freaking way, not even close, what threads have you been reading? Not the one where I said I suck at NL, obviously.

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Yes you could have gone to foxwoods, but you could have dropped 5 hunny there, so forgive and forget and long live the ZOO.

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Now I can't go to Fox because of this damn snow/ice. I'll be lucky to get home, damn it.

Look, I took the night off to play in the tournament. I was very excited about it. I stayed on to watch the results as I found the competition entertaining. And then, just as it approaches the downhill to the finish...it........................

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

yeah, i am with you every step of the way, i feel almost childish how excited up i get for these 2+2 tourneys [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
i am just saying, give the dudes a break i assume(maybe not a good idea) that they are working something out. refunding our buy ins was probably a split second decision so this place wouldnt go bonkers, which it already had done.

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

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i feel almost childish how excited up i get for these 2+2 tourneys

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Strange isn't it.

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i am just saying, give the dudes a break i assume(maybe not a good idea) that they are working something out. refunding our buy ins was probably a split second decision so this place wouldnt go bonkers, which it already had done.

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I just think they could be somewhat proactive. Granted they did 'react' and I think it was a knee-jerk reaction. I don't know if it was correct, frankly, it may have not been.

Even if they came accross to me, I'd be civil about it all. However, right now I feel like being obnoxious. And you know what, that 22 - $1-check-thing over 22 days...common...how funny would that be? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Look this is how they should have done it last night, put the foot down, and steped up with a post like this:

Dear Zoo, SS, Toons,

Sorry, blah blah,

Do you want to:
A.
B.

We will give you until X to decide, the vote here will be final...blah, meow,...

We apologize again for any, meow, chow, meow, we will refund your buy-in right now, chow, meow, king friday, meow, chow, and to make up for the inconvience we caused, we invite you to join us, chow, chow, meow, chow...

All apologies,
FalsePokerCEO
Davey KotZ.com-stealer

Oh FalsePoker, where are you?,
Joe Tall

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

Your first post venting was OK, I guess. Your second, third, were boring. These last few ones are doing a disservice to us all for the present and inmediate future.

You don't like True. Point taken. Move on.

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

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These last few ones are doing a disservice to us all for the present and inmediate future.

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How?

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

http://users.burgoyne.com/~jtod/crying%20baby.jpg


Just stop it already, Sh*t Happens

<font color="red"> You werent even in the tourney anymore when all this went down! </font>

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

It's been what, 15 hours or so? Can they at least get a day? Give them a freaking chance to work something out.

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

How?

I could easily see them saying, "Screw those guys, they bitch and moan too much. We're not hosting any of their tournaments anymore."

That may be fine with you, but some of us would still like the chance to go there in the future. There aren't exactly a ton of card rooms lining up to host 80 player private tournaments.

I don't mean to single you out, Joe. You happen to be complaining the loudest.

To CEOTruePoker,
 

To CEOTruePoker,

I understand that a final decision so soon may be a lot to ask, but is it being unreasonable to ask for some kind of timetable. I suspect you have read all the threads relating to last nights problems and still silence.

I understand problems can happen and there was a breakdown somewhere, either mechanical or human, I am OK with that. Stuff happens, there are a lot worse things in life. But I am afraid to say that your continued silence is placing your site very firmly in the toilet.

Yours sincerely
superleeds

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

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It's been what, 15 hours or so? Can they at least get a day? Give them a freaking chance to work something out.

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What's so difficult about it?

Step up and make a decision, post a poll, there are 2 basic choices, we vote, over.

I love to stir up the pot and I'm a the most demanding customer in the world, wicked combonation.

Love always,
Joe Tall

Re: To CEOTruePoker,
 

He said he would run another tourney when ever WE (the zoo) want, with whoever we want. What else do you want him to say? He already apologized

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

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"Screw those guys, they bitch and moan too much. We're not hosting any of their tournaments anymore."


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Well F-them, then.

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That may be fine with you, but some of us would still like the chance to go there in the future.

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Why couldn't you? (or want to, for that matter)

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There aren't exactly a ton of card rooms lining up to host 80 player private tournaments.

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I think Stars and the KotZ are a great match. And that's just 1 of many poker sites. It's a market place Jeff, supply/demand. We demand/they supply. They don't supply/we leave, simple.

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You happen to be complaining the loudest.

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You know I take this as a compliment, thanks.

Peace,
Joe

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

What's so difficult about it?

I don't know, but they've always treated us very fairly in the past so I think it's reasonable to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume there is something difficult about it.

Maybe they are, as some here suggested they should, examining their software to determine what caused the problem before they come up with a solution. Maybe they stayed up all night doing that and are sleeping now. Maybe they had some other emergency to deal with. Maybe they don't care and blew us off. Whatever it is though, I doubt 100 posts asking them to hurry up or insulting them is going to help.

Put the snow tires on and head to Foxwoods tonight. You'll fell better. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: To CEOTruePoker,
 

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He said he would run another tourney when ever WE (the zoo) want, with whoever we want. What else do you want him to say? He already apologized

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Yeah and we are going places fast, eh?

He needs to take the lead, it's the only way to resolve it.

Real Simple People, Drag Out True-guy,
Joe Tall

Re: To CEOTruePoker,
 

Mike Haven orgazized it, he should be the liason to TruPoker, and he should set up the make up tourney.... Didnt we pay him $1 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: To CEOTruePoker,
 

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He said he would run another tourney when ever WE (the zoo) want, with whoever we want. What else do you want him to say? He already apologized

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Ok, when should I check in to see what's gonna happen. In an hour? Two? Tommorow morning? Next Week? Month? Year?

I'm just asking for some info, even if its just a note saying we are talking to MH to sort out a plan

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

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Whatever it is though, I doubt 100 posts asking them to hurry up or insulting them is going to help.

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But my insane methods have scored me so much in the past, if I could only explain it, ah,..., if you could only imagine..., ah, don't do that, just forget it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Put the snow tires on and head to Foxwoods tonight. You'll fell better

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Funny I got new tires on the front yesterday and I am going tonight.

I just waiting for those pills that morgant got, I think that will help too. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I wonder how many took money out instantly? That would be an interesting fact. Ok, ok, I need a beer.

Peace,
Joe

Re: To CEOTruePoker,
 

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Didnt we pay him $1

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$hit I hope so, and I hope they still pay him too.

Peace,
JT

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

I just waiting for those pills that morgant got, I think that will help too

haha, i got quite a selection, uppers, downers, lefters, righters, or the morgant cocktail(highly recommended) 1 part mesculine, 2 parts percocet, 1 part valium, and a dash of extended release viagra for bed time [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img], good luck finding someone at the woods to fulfill your late night viagra hunger.

Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

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haha, i got quite a selection, uppers, downers, lefters, righters, or the morgant cocktail(highly recommended) 1 part mesculine, 2 parts percocet, 1 part valium, and a dash of extended release viagra for bed time

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In college, my roomate used to offer a 12-pack of $hit beer, 2-pinners and a valium for $25/$35-delivered-24hrs-a-day. He made a killing.

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good luck finding someone at the woods to fulfill your late night viagra hunger.

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I've been there so often as of late, I've seen the stangest....ah.....forget it or ask MaxPower about that girl who......ah, ok, forget it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Peace,
Joe Tall

Re: To CEOTruePoker,
 

He's already posted several apologies and replies. Saying that he's "silent" is hardly fair. A timeline for a new tournament is being worked out though (I hope). It hasn't even been a day yet. Let the man sort things out.


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To CEOTruePoker,

I understand that a final decision so soon may be a lot to ask, but is it being unreasonable to ask for some kind of timetable. I suspect you have read all the threads relating to last nights problems and still silence.

I understand problems can happen and there was a breakdown somewhere, either mechanical or human, I am OK with that. Stuff happens, there are a lot worse things in life. But I am afraid to say that your continued silence is placing your site very firmly in the toilet.

Yours sincerely
superleeds

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Re: True, when can we expect a final decision/options? n/m
 

Joe, I think all that snow is getting to your head.

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Look this is how they should have done it last night, put the foot down, and steped up with a post like this:

Dear Zoo, SS, Toons,

Sorry, blah blah,

Do you want to:
A.
B.

We will give you until X to decide, the vote here will be final...blah, meow,...

We apologize again for any, meow, chow, meow, we will refund your buy-in right now, chow, meow, king friday, meow, chow, and to make up for the inconvience we caused, we invite you to join us, chow, chow, meow, chow...



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ZOO and SS and Toon players:

Please accept our apologies for the problems which arose after the break with the Blinds and tables not collapsing properly. I felt it best to do the following, right after I apologize for the screw-up on our part.

1. Sorry about the error, we ran other tournaments concurrently without problem, so we will have to review this to see why this one unfortunately fell apart.

2. To make amends, Truepoker will do the following, refund buy-ins and fees from tonight's tournament and abort the tournament.

3 We will rerun the tournament without charge at a date and time at your choice.(It will be by your consensus whether to start with everyone or only those players still in play at the break. I will leave it to Mike to give me a direction on that.)

Please accept our apologies.

David Gzesh, CEO



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What part of number three in TruePokerCEO's post did you not understand? They have done exactly as you have so sarcasticly suggested. They have refunded all monies, offered a freeroll to all injured parties (even those of us that were eliminated before the SNAFU- by the way you DO suck at NL [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]) AND left it up to us to decide how when and where....we'll we already know where. It is up to this forum to decide what time and whether it is a "do over" for all or just the players still left at the break. Maybe I'm fkning blind and stupid, but I read his response to be exactly what you so eloquently put in your post.

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Joe, I think all that snow is getting to your head.

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Hey, I gave that $hit up for New Years. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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AND left it up to us to decide how when and where....we'll we already know where. It is up to this forum to decide what time and whether it is a "do over" for all or just the players still left at the break. Maybe I'm fkning blind and stupid, but I read his response to be exactly what you so eloquently put in your post.

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Ok, Husk, tell me,

Where does the vote stand? When is the tournament?

Yeah, my thoughts exactly,
Joe

Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

If you were not in the True Tournament, I would appreciate it if you did not vote. Thank you.

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

I'll abstain from voting even though I did play, as a) I may have another committment on one or both of those days and b) their software just in general took all the fun out of the tournament.

I've cashed out and removed their program from my computer. I'm not angry but I really, really didn't like the site even before the brouhaha and I have no desire to go back.

None of which is meant to take away from the tremenous job you did, Mike. And really, I admire True's willingness to work with us on this tournament as a promotional effort for their long-term growth. But their software/interface is so poorly conceived that, even funtioning perfectly, I'm not playing there.

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

I was in the tourney and went out 45th. the tourney didn't mes up before then, granted the blinds were insane and it was turning into a crapshoot, but hey just get aggressive and hope for the best.

Even though I finished 45th, I feel only the players involved after the break deserve the shot to go forward. As far as I go, Morgant busted me out fair and square, and it had nothing to do with the blinds.

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

A couple of things

1 - Have you been in touch with true

2 - if its 34 players, are they gonna have the stacks they had when it went tits up

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

1. Yes and No. Yes, I've written a number of e-mails today. No, I haven't received a response, yet.

2. I would assume that there is no reason to make it a serious money game and have only 34 in the replay unless they were brought back to their respective chip positions. Otherwise, it would seem reasonable to me to go again with the whole fun Team thing, from scratch.

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

I also abstained from voting, as I have no desire to play at True again because their client drives me crazy. However if I were voting, I would say that top 34 should play, not everyone, and this is coming from someone who got knocked out early. Bad client and horrible structure didn't change the fact that I played like crap.

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

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1. Yes and No. Yes, I've written a number of e-mails today. No, I haven't received a response, yet.

2. I would assume that there is no reason to make it a serious money game and have only 34 in the replay unless they were brought back to their respective chip positions. Otherwise, it would seem reasonable to me to go again with the whole fun Team thing, from scratch.


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Mike, I agree and disagree with that. I realize that this tourney is/was for fun and it always should be. So, if it were decided to totally replay it, I really wouldn't complain.

However, on the other hand, I was one of the Final 34 and I feel that it should be played out with only those left after the break. In fact, if it could be played out with the exactly same stack size and blind amount when the tourney went to break, then that would be fairest.

The 50 or so that busted out have gotten their refund back, hell that's better than where they were when things went haywire.

The other 34 of us played hard and deserve a basically 1 in 3.5 shot at getting in the money as compared to the 1 in 8.5 shot that we started the tourney with.

Additionally, I'm tired of those SS bozos running their yaps about this and that and how they would have won and blah blah blah, we (the Zoo) had our best tourney players remaining (Lori, Havana, Stunner).

BigEndian can can flap his yap about not being scared or whatever, but his but would be toast if he went to a Final Table with these three individuals. (OK, that was trash talk, not meant to be taken seriously).

As I said, whatever's decided is fine, it is all for fun. Hell just give me the Bellagio comp and I'll be done with it (I'm easy).

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

Does anyone happen to have a copy of the list of players and chips at the break?

I took a copy earlier, and, at that point, the top 50 had:

1. $3450 N1stunnor
2. $2637 CrackerZack
3. $2479 LuckyGal
4. $2347 Bicyclekick3
5. $1877 Justaloser
6. $1810 Bunky9590
7. $1774 kdog
8. $1771 jpg777
9. $1734 Stagemusic
10. $1716 Dotttt
11. $1684 icigotnoouts
12. $1582 AnyTwoAreOK
13. $1567 Myrtle
14. $1551 John Shaft
15. $1404 Nutcrackerr
16. $1338 Lorinda
17. $1273 Ringer1
18. $1257 brian0729
19. $1239 Baulucky
20. $1207 SleepingIn
21. $1204 BigEndian
22. $1173 Vinnythefish
23. $1165 8knuts
24. $1142 Superleeds
25. $1090 Skaboomizzy
26. $1068 SriepTShrimp
27. $1049 Stew46
28. $1048 Terrellowens
29. $1045 Bozeman
30. $1045 Inthacup
31. $1045 Jedipadawan
32. $1030 Legacyman
33. $1027 Fossilman
34. $1005 Adamsb
35. $1003 Thomastem
36. $998 scrack
37. $993 Catfish4u
38. $985 IraShrock
39. $970 Lost Wages
40. $968 bud25
41. $948 stylish1
42. $947 Hotrod0823
43. $945 Morgant
44. $935 Wudedude
45. $918 Sauceisboss
46. $916 DrSavage
47. $915 Havanabanana
48. $910 BarryH
49. $905 Adde1971
50. $903 Elsapito

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

Mike,

To be frank, I was one of the 34 that were still in it and I voted for the Top 34. My reasoning is that there was no problem with the tournament up till that point and those that were eliminated earlier were eliminated within the correct structure. The players that were outed early got their refunds and that's better than they would have received if the tournament had continued correctly. If they choose not to continue playing there for the bonus that is their decision.

I do have one question however. What will the Top 34 be playing for? The refunds (prize pool) have been given back to all players. True CEO said a Freeroll. With what value added? Do we really expect True to fund the entire tournament which should be about $1700? To me, that's a pretty cheap price to pay for advertising but it's not my decision to make.

Thanks for listening.

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

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Does anyone happen to have a copy of the list of players and chips at the break?


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I would think that True would have that information.

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

I don't have a total list but I had 3875 at the break. I know N1 was in the lead then. I had True email my tournament report. I doesn't list hand detail but gives you chip sizes and won/lost on every hand you play.

Jim

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

Just a thought ...

Have a tourney for the 34 or so that were left at first break, with the same chip stacks as at break if possible. These 34 would play for the prize pool.

Schedule another tourney (freeroll) with all players again that would count towards Zoo SS Toons bragging rights, etc.

The people remaining at the break would be able to play a small field tourney for a higher % payout, everyone including those that busted out before break would have the $22 refund, and everyone gets to play again from scratch for free ...

Re: Players\' Poll for the Freeroll Tourney.
 

Mike,don't know about the rest,but at break i had around 7500.