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No luck baseball bitches. Its NHL time.

Thornton for Sturm, Stuart, Wayne Primeau.

I like Boston in this one.

rJ

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I will take your word that its good for Boston, because I have no idea about the other three guys.

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Are you out of your mind, that's an awful deal for Boston...

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The immense depth this adds outweighs the superstar value of thornton. Not to mention he is often injured.

rJ

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Meh. I like Stuart.

NT

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I think the sum of all them dudes = that one dude, but I just don't see how that's smart from Boston's perspective. It seems to me that in the NHL moreso than any non-basketball sport, you need that one player who can create a moment of genius when the rest of the team is shite and pull a point or two.

Maybe I'm off base.

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Well I thought about the deal and it's not as bad as I thought, but still, of course Stuart is solid in defense and Sturm adds some attack. Not enough to replace Thorton of course. The fact that Boston saves money in the salary cap is probably a big factor also. If I was Boston I would have tried to get a first round pick instead of Primeau.

Anyways, the media in Boston didnt like Thorton, they were always questioning his hearth.

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Of all the things to wonder about they criticized his fireplace? Ouch.

Somebody on SI.com was criticizing Thornton for not being physical enough and said N'Sync would probably have another smash hit before he did.

NT

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I can't find any but the most optimistic of Bruins fans that like this deal. We needed a guy like Stuart, definitely, but "forward depth" in the way of underachievers and grinders is something we have in spades.

Joe made our top line play like a top line. Despite an apparent lack of intensity and fire, and occasional floating, Joe was the best player on the team, and when he was on the ice he could make things happen. Many in Boston felt that he should be able to do this every time he stepped onto the ice, and with Joe's talent, that wasn't so unexpected. So when he was shut down by the likes of John Madden or someone similar, he was blamed for not trying hard enough. But no one (excepting possibly Globe writer Kevin Paul Dupont) wanted him traded, and this just doesn't seem like enough. We need to fill that #1 center role. If something comes along soon to plug that gap, I can reevaluate the move in context. But right now...

One thing is for sure: The Bruins suck. They have been a tremendous disappointment. Obviously we overrated them a bit pre-season, probably not paying enough attention to their terrible defense, but they have also underperformed. Something had to happen.

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I think that is an awful trade for Boston. Stuart is a solid defenseman. And Sturm can score, but won't even come close Thornton's production. Primeau is just a utility guy. Nothing special there.

How could they make this trade and not get a first line center in return? Who is your first line center now, Zhamnov? Isn't he as old as Messier? J/K. God help you Bruins fans....

Yeah, the team has been a disappointment this year. But to trade away the guy you thought was going to be your franchise for years? I dunno. I just hate it for Boston.

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I agreed, this trade is sending the Bruins franchise in the wrong direction. A few years ago when Boston traded Jason Allison away for pretty much nothing they became commited to Thornton as their main guy. Now they traded one of the top three forwards in the game and they got a decent two way 2nd line forward, an average defenseman that has not put up good numbers since his rookie year over five years ago and throw in 4th line forward.

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I generally don't like deals where you give up a superstar for a few "depth" guys.

superstars are hard to come by. maybe Thornton had underachieved, but giving up on him isn't the answer

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No, he just plays like he's that old.

We definitely have a #1 center hole to plug. Among others.

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I can't believe they didn't get any draft picks or something to go with it. Hard to rebuild your team without stockpiling young talent (like Thornton is that old to begin with). I would be pissed if I was a Bruins fan, but they were probably already pissed at how the season is going. Plus Boston fans are always pissed about something [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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this is an interesting article about the problems in boston

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That article may be a little overboard, but if it is it's not by much. I don't listen to much of the talk radio or watch pre and post-game shows, but it seems that there's a lot of talk of Thornton's lack of trying, even though his numbers are right where they should be. It actually reminds me of Manny Ramirez and the Sox and their fans, except that there's never any record of Thornton asking out of here.

But the talk doesn't really seem to spread to a lot of true hockey fans, of which there are admittedly few out here.

I don't know. I'm very depressed about this. You'd think I'd be used to this crap, but I honestly thought they'd at least stick with Joe for two years of his three year deal.

We now have no # 1 line. Some depth. As far as I can tell, our best center may be Travis Green. *shudder*

I'm surprised there aren't more Ottawa and Montreal fans here making me eat crow. I was the guy saying back in Sept that the Bruins would win the NE division again. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

I don't see how they can let the same people keep running this ship if this is what we're getting.

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That trade was brutal... maybe the Bruins are working on a deal with the Leafs... Sturm for Allison... you get your #1 centre, we get a winger who can (gasp!) score.

If they can turn around and do something with the players they got, to pull in a draft pick or young stud with potential, then I can go with it. But if this deal stands as is, San Jose is laughing.

But, as a Leafs fan, I can't say I'm sad the Bruins got a little worse... the less competition in the NE, the better.

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Players like Thornton only come around once a decade. Anyone who likes Boston in this one - why? Unless you put Bergeron in as the first line center, it makes no sense.

I think the trade is fairly even, but only if Brad Stuart becomes the #1 defender he's been projected to be for years. Otherwise, the Bruins get three fairly pedestrian players back for a top talent. Sturm's an excellent 2nd line wing and Primeau's a good grinder, but that obviously doesn't add up to a Joe Thornton. It's Stuart who will make or break this deal.

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3 quarters for a dollar

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Interesting that Sturm scored the first goal for Beantown tonite and Sturm and Stuart assisted on the second. Not that I think you can draw conclusions from the first game, but hey, winning is quite out of the ordinary for the Bruins recently.

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While I don't think Boston received enough in return for a player like Thornton I think the salary cap era will show that paying a player 6.66 million a year is bad for your team unless that player is a dominant goalie. Unloading his huge contract may be a good move for Boston in the long run. A super star for 2 good players and a crap role player isn't a great deal. It's hard to understand why Boston didn't a) shop around a little and/or b) get one or more high draft picks in the deal. Who the heck will Boston have next year when Samsonov leaves as a UFA and Leetch moves along?

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This is hardly a salary cap move, the 3 players boston received salaries combined are around 6 million total.

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That trade was brutal... maybe the Bruins are working on a deal with the Leafs... Sturm for Allison... you get your #1 centre, we get a winger who can (gasp!) score.


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Boston will never take Allison back. I am still not sure why the Leafs want to trade Allison so bad, he is rumored in almost every trade.

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Boston will never take Allison back. I am still not sure why the Leafs want to trade Allison so bad, he is rumored in almost every trade.

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I'm not sure Boston wouldn't take him back. Whether or not Allison would want to come back is another thing. And I don't know why TO would want to trade him either.

Not surprising to me that the B's got a shot in the arm last night. It'll take a few weeks to see how the team really looks in the wake of this deal.

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Boston will never take Allison back. I am still not sure why the Leafs want to trade Allison so bad, he is rumored in almost every trade.

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I'm not sure Boston wouldn't take him back. Whether or not Allison would want to come back is another thing. And I don't know why TO would want to trade him either.


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I don't think T.O. really wants to trade him... they were talking about moving him to Columbus, before Fedorov, and his name has come up other times. It's more that he's a player they could get something good for - a scoring winger, improved D, whatever they think they need. Not only that, he could make up to 4.5 million this year, if all his bonuses come in. If they trade him, they add quite a bit of cap space, to pick up something at the trade deadline.

Again, I don't think they want to move him, but he's the guy that would go if they did trade, him or Antropov.