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Fianchetto 12-15-2005 02:07 PM

100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
Bay 101.

5-handed 100/200. I sat down about 30 min ago, and the only hand I've showndown was a winner.

I’m in the BB w/ 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG folds, CO raises (A fairly tight/straightforward player in full games, though I’m sure his range is wider here), Button folds, SB calls (Seems to be a decent player, only other thing I know is he plays a lot of tournaments), I call.

Everyone ok with the preflop call?

Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks, I check, CO bets, SB raises, I ??


Comments so far?

Paluka 12-15-2005 02:09 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
Folderson.
I think the preflop call is fine.

12-15-2005 02:13 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
Clear fold, especially since you're not closing the action.

J.A.Sucker 12-15-2005 02:25 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
Fold.

phish 12-15-2005 02:28 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
Pardon my rudeness, but of all the hands you play, did you really think this hand is worthy of posting?

NYplayer 12-15-2005 02:47 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
given the action i fold. I'd bet out on the flop though. Td, TT, JJ, and a Q are all hard pressed to call with the SB still to act behind.

Fianchetto 12-15-2005 02:54 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Pardon my rudeness, but of all the hands you play, did you really think this hand is worthy of posting?

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Ok, I guess this is an easy one, just wanted to double check.

The reason I thought about it later was that, yes, in all likelyhood I'm behind, but getting about 5:1, if my flush outs are good I should continue. SB could very easily make that raise with just a pair. I know that drawing to the 4th nut is not normally a good idea, but wondered if in a shorthanded situation like this people would be more apt to continue with a pair and medium flush draw.

Also, as NYplayer suggested, betting the flop could be considered.

DpR 12-15-2005 04:53 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
Are you the seahawks fan?

bicyclekick 12-15-2005 05:07 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
[ QUOTE ]
given the action i fold. I'd bet out on the flop though. Td, TT, JJ, and a Q are all hard pressed to call with the SB still to act behind.

[/ QUOTE ]

I was thinking the same thing.

haakee 12-15-2005 05:31 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
Fianchetto is not who you're thinking of. I'm virtually certain the Seahawks fan is not a 2+2 poster. He plays well though.

haakee 12-15-2005 05:56 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
I would also consider betting the flop. You may have the best hand and it's a scary board to somebody not holding a diamond. It's a clear fold with two bets cold back to you though.

I would defend here preflop like you did. Neither of these players has to have a premium hand here so seeing the flop getting 5:1 seems like a good idea to me.

DpR 12-15-2005 06:03 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
I only play in the 40/80 once every couple weeks (if that). But I was there yesterday. 6'4", red, very short hair......I only play OK live, actaully have trouble reading the board sometimes lol.

J.A.Sucker 12-15-2005 07:05 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
If by plays well you mean terribly, then I agree with you. He's lost a fortune in that game and oscillates between horribly weak-tight and horribly tilting, always at the wrong time. A nice enough guy, though who would win if he played smaller (like 40-80 or especially 20-40). THis is the Seahawks fan not our intreprid poster, who plays very well from what I have seen.

The Dude 12-16-2005 06:54 AM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm virtually certain the Seahawks fan is not a 2+2 poster. He plays well though.

[/ QUOTE ]
Of course he does, he obviously thinks very well.

12-16-2005 04:48 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
You have the easiest fold in the history of all mankind

mikelow 12-18-2005 09:08 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
Why bet the flop? More often than not, it's just wasting a
bet with bottom pair and a near bottom diamond draw.

Actually, I think this is a fold preflop. 98o just isn't
good enough for a blind defense.

4thstreetpete 12-18-2005 09:45 PM

Re: 100/200, what\'s your flop play?
 
This is a ridiculously easy fold, I can't see how there would be room for discussion here.

I'm not convinced of the idea of betting out on the flop as others have proposed. You'd get raised by CO with a wide range of hands here most of the time and it really won't tell you much about CO's hand. You'd be playing from behind the rest of the way and even if your flush hits it's still fourth best.


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