theoretical level jump question: from 3/6 to 30/60
 

Suppose a working poker player, multitabling 3/6 for about 3 BB/100 stumbles upon an excess of cash and bankrolls himself 1000 BB for 30/60.

Is this player expected to be a winner or a loser in the new game? Is this player expected to succeed or fail in making a higher hourly earn in 30/60 than 3/6?

Re: theoretical level jump question: from 3/6 to 30/60
 

I'm going to go with... he will go bust.

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I currently play 3/6 on PP, and given how terrible the players are... I'm thinking I wouldn't have a chance at 10/20, let alone 30/60.

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Someone truely beating 3-6 for 3bb/100 understands the game quite well. While he may have some trouble adjusting to the different style, I do believe he would be a winner. Its not like these multi-tabling 30 players would make 5bb/100 if they dropped to 3-6.

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The 30 game online is pretty tough, aggressive and swingy as hell.

I would guess the 3-6 player would lose because it takes time to learn to beat a new level and its hard as hell to deal with the increased aggression and importance of blind play.

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If you've logged 50,000 hands at any limit... and you've been a winner... I think you could move up.

It would take a couple thousand hands for you to adjust... but you could probably do it.

Totally different story at no-limit.

P.S. Dont max out your American Express just to move up in limits [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I started at Party's .5-1 (a few years ago) and have moved up to the party 30 and 50 games.

The move up is not that easy. I think the jump from 15-30 to 30-60 might be one of the hardest if not the hardest jump. Curious to see what others who made the move think.

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I realize this was a very specific "hypothetical" that you put up, but I don't see why a player would want to make that big of a jump right away. Why not learn the shorthanded games at 3/6, 5/10 and 10/20? If you can always beat those games, then I certainly don't see the need to move up to 30/60 for a long while.

Also, even if you bankrolled yourself with 20K for 10/20, you could invest the other 40K in something safe and earn interest off of that at least.

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I would think he would have a very hard time adjusting to the aggression level at 30/60. If he was a good enough player he could adjust before he went bust. Also, there are a lot less multiway pots at 30/60, so he would have to be decent at stealing blinds and defending blinds.

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i know from past exprience that it is a different game at 30 60 and it took me a couple months and a lot of lost money to get used to it.

Re: theoretical level jump question: from 3/6 to 30/60
 

he would likely be a loser. but 30/60 is way tougher than 20/40. he could probably beat 20/40.

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he would likely be a loser. but 30/60 is way tougher than 20/40. he could probably beat 20/40.

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There is no way that someone who's never played above 3/6 could beat 20/40. He could proably learn to, but jupming right into 20/40 is not the best use of his newfound money.

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If he goes to live 30/60 and continues to study the game, I think he will be fine. He will lose a lot at first, but posting hands and if the person is intelligent enough to succeed at high limits, I don't see why he can't catch on. 30/60 live is a piece of cake BTW. Online, it is tough as hell.

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i know from past exprience that it is a different game at 30 60 and it took me a couple months and a lot of lost money to get used to it.

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would you mind describing some of the adjustments you were force to make? just curious.

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Its not like these multi-tabling 30 players would make 5bb/100 if they dropped to 3-6.

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Why wouldn't they?

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Its not like these multi-tabling 30 players would make 5bb/100 if they dropped to 3-6.

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Why wouldn't they?

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I think 5 would be tough just due to the pretty high effective rake. Obviously a 30/60 winner would kill 3/6, but I am relatively sure 5/100 isn't possible in a game that rakes .5 BB/pot assuming your opponents are at least ATTEMPTING to play well.

Re: theoretical level jump question: from 3/6 to 30/60
 

Baron jumped from 3/6 6max to 75/150 thus far successfully in a matter of 2 or 3 months. I think if the 3/6 player was truly winning at 3BB/100 he could hang (1>WR>0) at 30/60 after a rough initial 5k hands getting used to the aggression.

Re: theoretical level jump question: from 3/6 to 30/60
 

I have some experience at 20/40 now and I think when I played 3/6 I wouldnt have gone broke if I moved up in your situation. I probably woulda been a loser at first. I think there are good amount of small stakes posters who play 3/6 and, judging from their posts, could also do this. There are even more players who only playe 3/6 briefly who could have at the time.

So to the OP, my guess is yes (to 20/40 not 30/60) if that 3bb/100 is over a largish sample.

I don't have experience in 30/60 so I cant comment on that, but with tons of datamining and meticulous table selection anything is possible.