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-Skeme-

11-13-2005 03:42 PM

K5s in BB.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed)
MP2 ($209.35)
MP3 ($201.75)
CO ($155.70)
Button ($92)
SB ($58.95)
Hero ($215.05)
UTG ($194.55)
UTG+1 ($259.70)
MP1 ($201.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $8, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($26) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $18, CO calls $18.

River: ($62) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks,
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Any beefs?

ajmargarine

11-13-2005 03:55 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

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Did you notice that you have a full house? I'd bet half pot there. Unless you have reasoning for not doing so, which I don't see at the moment.

-Skeme-

11-13-2005 04:00 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

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Unless you have reasoning for not doing so, which I don't see at the moment.

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What do you put Villain on?

ajmargarine

11-13-2005 04:03 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

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Unless you have reasoning for not doing so, which I don't see at the moment.

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What do you put Villain on?

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Ac9d AcJs AcXx

-Skeme-

11-13-2005 04:07 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

Right, and I doubt many opponent's would expect their busted flush draw or busted flush draw + crappy pair to be the best hand at river, even with my check. I put Villain on busted flush draw and did not figure to receive a call on my push with a lonely A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

11-13-2005 04:11 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

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Right, and I doubt many opponent's would expect their busted flush draw or busted flush draw + crappy pair to be the best hand at river, even with my check. I put Villain on busted flush draw and did not figure to receive a call on my push with a lonely A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

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It seems like villain would check behind with too many hands. I don't want to check, and have villain check behind. I'd rather value bet, and if he folds then so be it.

ajmargarine

11-13-2005 04:12 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

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Right, and I doubt many opponent's would expect their busted flush draw or busted flush draw + crappy pair to be the best hand at river

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...and that's why they won't bet it on the river. However they might look you up for half-pot on the river if you bet yourself.

-Skeme-

11-13-2005 04:16 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

Yes, and they'd have more reason to bluff with their busted flush draw than call a bet with it. I guess it just comes down to your read on the opponent's hand.

scdavis0

11-13-2005 04:17 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

I love it.

ajmargarine

11-13-2005 04:20 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

scdavis0

11-13-2005 04:21 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

I still can't believe that you think you get more value from trying to value bet ace high.

11-13-2005 04:23 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

Do you really think Villain will bluff when he's been bet into on 2 streets? Its more likely that villain will semi-bluff with a weak K or something. Even THEN, villain might not bet a weak K. So you could be losing value there.

stu-unger

11-13-2005 04:23 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

i like AJs line of 1/2 potting the river. if u have a read that he bluffs missed draws then c/c or c/r by all means. i dont see many players doing this so i bet something. i think there is a possiblitly he has Kx with a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] that may pay off a bet on the river. i just dont see the benefit of checking if villain wont bluff atleast 1/4 of the time.

-Skeme-

11-13-2005 04:57 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

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Yes, and they'd have more reason to bluff with their busted flush draw than call a bet with it. I guess it just comes down to your read on the opponent (which wasn't provided)

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I said I put him on A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], dude. I meant that it comes down to what your read on him is if you were me, lol. And my read was A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], yours was much wider.

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Do you really think Villain will bluff when he's been bet into on 2 streets?

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Do you really think Villain lets me value bet him with his busted flush draw? I see him grasping at straws to win a decent sized pot. A bluff here is the only way he can. I have shown weakness and given up on the hand.

kitaristi0

11-13-2005 05:29 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed)
MP2 ($209.35)
MP3 ($201.75)
CO ($155.70)
Button ($92)
SB ($58.95)
Hero ($215.05)
UTG ($194.55)
UTG+1 ($259.70)
MP1 ($201.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $8, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($26) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $18, CO calls $18.

River: ($62) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks,
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Any beefs?

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I like it.

-Skeme-

11-13-2005 05:32 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed)

MP2 ($209.35)
MP3 ($201.75)
CO ($155.70)
Button ($92)
SB ($58.95)
Hero ($215.05)
UTG ($194.55)
UTG+1 ($259.70)
MP1 ($201.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $8, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($26) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $18, CO calls $18.

River: ($62) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $127.7 (All-In), Hero calls $127.70.
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Can anybody guess what he had? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

kitaristi0

11-13-2005 05:35 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

K9 or KJ

11-13-2005 05:36 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

I'm gonna guess a busted flush draw, considering all of your posts :P

-Skeme-

11-13-2005 10:20 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed)

MP2 ($209.35)
MP3 ($201.75)
CO ($155.70)
Button ($92)
SB ($58.95)
Hero ($215.05)
UTG ($194.55)
UTG+1 ($259.70)
MP1 ($201.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $8, Button folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($26) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $18, CO calls $18.

River: ($62) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $127.7 (All-In), Hero calls $127.70.

Final Pot: $317.40

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh 5h (full house, kings full of fives).
CO has 5s Ks (full house, kings full of fives).
Outcome: CO wins $158.70. Hero wins $158.70. 
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gol4pro

11-13-2005 10:23 PM

Re: K5s in BB.

If he's aggressive, I love a river CR.

ericlambi

11-14-2005 03:22 AM

Re: K5s in BB.

You are letting a flopped flush off too easy with the river check. You almost certainly have the best hand . . . make him pay for the showdown.

Kirkrrr

11-14-2005 03:51 AM

Re: K5s in BB.

I routinely check the river if I put my opponent on a missed draw. wtf does it matter that you got quads full of hearts if he has nothing?

I read the results, very amusing as turned out, but I like the play.

Kirk

-Skeme-

11-14-2005 04:03 AM

Re: K5s in BB.

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You are letting a flopped flush off too easy with the river check. You almost certainly have the best hand . . . make him pay for the showdown.

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1) How is a flopped flush likely here?
2) A flopped flush bets river anyway.

11-14-2005 04:17 AM

Re: K5s in BB.

lol, nice results.

I think he played that badly lol, kind of an overbet considering you checked.

4_2_it

11-14-2005 11:12 AM

Re: K5s in BB.

Sexy!

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