This turn made me throw up in my mouth
 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

BB ($57.40)
Hero ($92)
MP ($45.60)
Button ($56.65)
SB ($121.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($5.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($23.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, Hero...

Re: This turn made me throw up in my mouth
 

Yuck. No reads? I'm likely folding.

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any reads/stats on BB?

think he'd call a pf raise with xhxh or rags that flop a straight draw?

mightve hit a set as well on the flop.

his 1/2 pot bet seems pretty weak, but he could just be trying to pump up the flop.

you also have to consider a high xhxx for the four flush and maybe a pair to go along with it.

too many unknowns with any idea who we're going up against.

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Time to fold, there are better places to make a stand without a read.

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folding &gt; calling &gt; raising ?

I hate to let him bluff me off with a less than half pot bet here... but if you call, you might well have to call another bet on the river too.

meh, this turn sucks a lot. Gotta fold though, unless you have a read that he could bluff scare cards.

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yuck, fold. Without a read I assume most players aren't sophisticated enough to bluff 1/2 pot at a scare card on the turn since they realize it looks like they're drawing.

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I often look at plays like this as a reraise on the flop. If he had reraised you $10 on the flop what would you have done? By calling and then leading out on the turn, this indicates that he can beat a pair of Kings, or he has at least AK, either way you are beat. If he is making a move on you it's just a helluva play, but if he is, you will catch him later. This is where I stuggle a bit--having the patience to wait to pick someone off later who I suspect might be stealing from me.

Enjoy Life!

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Alright, it looks like people think I should have folded, but here's what I did, what happened, and why I did it.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

BB ($57.40)
Hero ($92)
MP ($45.60)
Button ($56.65)
SB ($121.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($5.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($23.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: $53.25

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. Hero wins $53.25. </font>

I decided to minraise the turn because I think that there was enough of a chance that villain was doing this with KJ, KT or KxX[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] that my hand was good fairly often, and so I wanted to get this to showdown. I decided that minraising the [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the turn would be the best way to do that because if villain had 2 pair or a set and I was on the draw, I just got there and he might go into check/call mode.

Another important factor that I considered were the stack sizes. After the minraise, villain had $25 left behind, which, even though I'd be getting terrific odds, was enough that I could lay it down to a push.

Re: This turn made me throw up in my mouth
 

nh - i like how you played the turn and your reasons for doing it.

Re: This turn made me throw up in my mouth
 

Raise more on the flop, make it 12 to go. What would you do if he called you and bet like 10 on the river? Why not just call him on the turn, I dont know if the minraise gets you to showdown any cheaper than the minraise does.

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Interesting play, nh

Re: This turn made me throw up in my mouth
 

So you give a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5.3:1 odds on a 2:1 shot with your minraise?

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So you give a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5.3:1 odds on a 2:1 shot with your minraise?

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Personally I was dumping this on the turn waiting for a better spot. I am pretty sure you intended this for the OP though, good ole quick reply [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Was villain a 2+2er? That turn min-raise isn't scaring anyone who has more than a marginal holding. You are bloating a pot that you probably should prefer to showdown cheaply. If I had the A or K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (or any [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) it is correct for me to call your raise.

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So you give a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5.3:1 odds on a 2:1 shot with your minraise?

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Well, my primary concern wasn't protecting my hand, it was getting a cheap showdown. I'm also curious how 12 outs with one card to come would be a 2:1 shot.

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Raise more on the flop, make it 12 to go. What would you do if he called you and bet like 10 on the river? Why not just call him on the turn, I dont know if the minraise gets you to showdown any cheaper than the minraise does.

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I agree that my flop raise should have been bigger. However, minraising the turn and being able to check through the river is cheaper that calling the turn and being forced to make a tough decision when he pushes the river.

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not sure I like it...here's why.

The hands he's bluffing with fold.
The hands with the flush put you all in.
Pair+flush draw hands have great odds on the call, and therefore should take it.
The hands that are better than yours likely call the raise and lead again on the turn...effectively increasing the price of showdown here.

I think you lose the most/win the least when you are way behind or way ahead. It worked here because he likely had nothing, but I don't think better hands than yours are folding here, but I think worse ones are.

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Well, my primary concern wasn't protecting my hand, it was getting a cheap showdown. I'm also curious how 12 outs with one card to come would be a 2:1 shot.

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My bad, 2.6:1.

Hand 1: 27.2727 % [ 00.27 00.00 ] { AhTs }
Hand 2: 72.7273 % [ 00.73 00.00 ] { KdQd }

Still, 5.3:1 covers anything anyway.

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Well, my primary concern wasn't protecting my hand, it was getting a cheap showdown. I'm also curious how 12 outs with one card to come would be a 2:1 shot.

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My bad, 2.6:1.

Hand 1: 27.2727 % [ 00.27 00.00 ] { AhTs }
Hand 2: 72.7273 % [ 00.73 00.00 ] { KdQd }

Still, 5.3:1 covers anything anyway.

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I don't see how AT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or any Ax[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is in his hand range. Still, good point.

Re: This turn made me throw up in my mouth
 

I don't know what you are representing by min raise turn. He probably has a weak king. But his line is strange too.

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make a pot sized raise on the flop. ~14