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As we know, the NFL draft order is a hot topic because of the possibility of getting Reggie Bush.

Everyone knows that the team with the worst record gets the best pick.

However, if two or more teams tie with the worst record, a tie breaker is applied.

The first tie-breaker is strength of schedule. Meaning, the worse the overall record of your opponents, the higher your pick.

The 2nd tie breaker is (worse) division record, but this only applies if you are tied with a team in your division.
The 3rd tie breaker is (worse) Conference record, but that only applies if you are in the same conference.

HEAD TO HEAD IS NOT A TIE BREAKER.

So Houston fans, if you beat S.F next week, they dont automatically have the tie breaker over you, in fact, right now Houston oppopnents have 128 wins while S.F opponents have 131. ( How Dumb is this )

Actually, if Houston wins next week, N.O has the inside track to Reggie Bush, with only 124 opponent victories currently (this includes the Jets-Pats game tommorrow which adds 1 win either way).

The Jets are screwed for the #1 pick if N.O doesnt win next week. The best they could do is TIE New Orleans for strength of schedule ( i checked it out ).

So even if they did tie, what would the tie-breaker be?

Well the strength of schedule is the same, they're not in the same division so that doesnt apply, their not in the same conference so that doesn't apply..

How about since N.O. beat the Jets, the Jets get a higher pick?

NOPE!! THEY WOULD FLIP A COIN!!!!

Call Tails Herm, call Tails.

--LoO

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HEAD TO HEAD IS NOT A TIE BREAKER.


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I would guess that's true to prevent actual throwing of games.

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The nhl a few years back moved to a lottery like the NBA. I really like it and dont see any reason every league shouldnt use it.

rJ

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It's really, really hard to throw an NFL game. Think about all the players on the Texans who won't be around next year. Think about Domanick Davis and Vernand Morency. Think about David Carr, who is basically auditioniong to get a job somewhere, anywhere. Think about Dom Capers who's in the same position.

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The nhl a few years back moved to a lottery like the NBA. I really like it and dont see any reason every league shouldnt use it.

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I don't see why a lottery helps. The team with the worse record still has the best chance at the #1 pick right? So, if you are concerned about your team's draft pick (which would be the case if your team is not going to be in the playoffs), then the best thing to do is loose.

If there is concern about throwing games, they could do a true lottery (in which all teams have an equal chance of gettign the #1 pick), or they could give better picks to better teams.

Another option, would be something like give the best pick to the team with the best record than didn't make the playoffs. Or perhapse, they could give the #1 pick to the best record in games played after having been eliminated from playoff contention.

There are different ways that this could be done. My point is that an NBA style lottery doesn't really do anything.

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i actually hate the lottery. if they made it so that it was a lottery with different levels like the worst few teams would compete for the first few spots then the next i wouldnt mind but that tiny percentage of an awesome team getting the first pick is lame.

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NOPE!! THEY WOULD FLIP A COIN!!!!

Call Tails Herm, call Tails.

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This brings to mind the story of the 1970 draft. The Bears and Steelers both finished the 1969 season with 1-13 records, and it was determined that they would flip a coin to determine who would draft first. The Bears called heads. Coin came up tails. The Steelers used the resulting #1 pick to draft Terry Bradshaw, who would go on to lead them to 4 Super Bowl victories, and have a hall of fame career. The Bears then traded the #2 pick to the Green Bay Packers for a bunch of washed up veterans who would lead them to a decade of suckiness.

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It's not like that draft was filled with studs.

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It's not like that draft was filled with studs.

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OK. I won't debate the depth of the 1970 NFL draft with you, especially since that wasn't really the point of my post.

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I thought the Packers have the inside line on Reggie Bush assuming they lose and Houston beats SF?

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It's not like that draft was filled with studs.

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I hope this post was intentionally stoopid.

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OK. I won't debate the depth of the 1970 NFL draft with you, especially since that wasn't really the point of my post.

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Well, yeah, I agree with the point that the coin flip thing is stupid but you seem to have some pent-up tragic attitude over a move done by your favorite football team that wasn't exactly horrible.

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It's not like that draft was filled with studs.

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I hope this post was intentionally stoopid.

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It's hard to think anyone that Chicago would've taken would have actually had a big impact on the team.

Two hall of famers were taken in the draft. The aforementioned, unavialabel Bradshaw, and Mel Blount who went 53rd overall.

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but that tiny percentage of an awesome team getting the first pick is lame.

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how does an awesome team miss the playoffs?

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It's not like that draft was filled with studs.

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It's hard to think anyone that Chicago would've taken would have actually had a big impact on the team.

Two hall of famers were taken in the draft. The aforementioned, unavialabel Bradshaw, and Mel Blount who went 53rd overall.

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1. The subject of the original post was how tie-breakers determine draft order. My post was merely to tell about how the Bears lost out on a Hall of Fame quarterback in the '70 draft based on a coin flip...pretty interesting for a team that hasn't had a quarterback since Sid Luckman. The quality of others that came out of that draft are irrelevant.

2. Are we really determining the strength of a draft class based on how many Hall of Famers it produces?

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Well, no, but there really isn't very good record keeping for football statistics available on the internet. I can't just look up how many tackles Mike McCoy had, but his career wasn't exactly illustrious. Go down the list of players the Bears would've selected and you'll find that none of them were impact players.

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I thought the Packers have the inside line on Reggie Bush assuming they lose and Houston beats SF?

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Green Bay is a real long shot. Most likely the #1 pick will be Houston or New Orleans depending on if Houston wins. New Orleans is a virtual lock to have to the lowest strength of schedule out of the potential 3-13 teams. Slow day at work, here are the scenarios for each team to end up with the top pick:

New Orleans:Lose and Hou win and none of the scenarios below happen

Houston:
1.Lose or
2.NYG, ARI, NYJ, DET, TB, GB, HOU and STL win and BAL, KC or JAX win or
3.NO wins, and scenarios below don't happen

NY Jets:
1.Lose 2 remaining games, NO & HOU win next week and IND, PIT, SEA & STL must win more games next week than OAK, BAL, KC & JAX. or
2.NYG, CLE, BUF, CIN, DET, TB, GB, HOU, IND, TEN & STL win next week

Green Bay:OAK, IND, BUF, PIT, NO, SEA, HOU, WAS & STL all must win next week and at least 2 of BAL, KC & JAX need to win

San Fran:Can not end up with #1 pick

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Which team is the worst? Texans or 49ers? I would still have to say the 49ers. What a waste of a pick Alex Smith was.