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11-18-2005 05:17 AM

Bubble push with AQ
 
4 left in 10+1 on party, villian is to my left and we both have about 850, other two at about 3000 and 2300 or so, folded to me, i push in SB with AQ, villian calls from BB and shows KJ of clubs. right play?

edit: took out results

splashpot 11-18-2005 05:22 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
Blinds? And next time don't show results.

11-18-2005 05:22 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
was your AQ suited ?
i think that this was not a right play there... maybe rais 3 - 4 times bb and then push on flop providing only small cards come. than you give him a chance to fold , or if u see a 10 or j or k , i would consider folding.

applejuicekid 11-18-2005 05:25 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
If the blinds were atleast 50/100 pushing was good play.

bennies 11-18-2005 05:39 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
no you need AK to push here.

11-18-2005 05:42 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
the blinds were at least that iirc, a 3x raise would be be at least half my stack.

i'm tired of this "no you need AK" garbage, playing that tight doesn't do anything but get blinded out half the time.

splashpot 11-18-2005 05:43 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
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the blinds were at least that iirc

i'm tired of this "no you need AK" garbage, playing that tight doesn't do anything but get blinded out half the time.

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The guy who said AK is making fun of you. This is a ridicilously obvious push.

11-18-2005 05:47 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
well, fine, i guess i'm not in the mood. i'm following the guide from here about the 10+1's, but if i don't get much in terms of cards (i.e. big pocket pairs) i don't see how to get ITM with it

tigerite 11-18-2005 05:49 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
In this situation, considering the size of your stack and his, and the blinds, not only is it an obvious push, but you want him calling with KJs. He was the one who made the mistake, not you, although if the blinds were 150/300 or something, his call isn't that bad I suppose.

runner4life7 11-18-2005 05:51 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
everyone here is making fun of you. You need to do some serious studying if there is even .01% part of you that hesitates here. So I'm sick of this "You need AQ" crap. Im almost positve this would be a push with just about any ace and probably more.

11-18-2005 05:52 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
my confusion relates to "with 4 players left play even tighter" kind of stuff.

now that i consider the blinds though, yeah you're right.

tigerite 11-18-2005 05:54 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
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my confusion relates to "with 4 players left play even tighter" kind of stuff.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] With regards to calling, possibly (depends). With regards to pushing? No way.

11-18-2005 05:56 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
so say the situation is switched, he pushes in SB, and i'm in BB. given my stack is even less now, and the blind structure, do i call?

tigerite 11-18-2005 05:56 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
With AQo? Absolutely. With KJs? It depends.

bennies 11-18-2005 05:59 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
whats with all this sucking up to the noobs???

[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

11-18-2005 05:59 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
alright.. yeah i guess i'm just confused overall for hand selections when short stacked and close to the bubble, or even ITM.

tigerite 11-18-2005 06:00 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
I'm feeling generous. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

tigerite 11-18-2005 06:02 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
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alright.. yeah i guess i'm just confused overall for hand selections when short stacked and close to the bubble, or even ITM.

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Well, don't go blanket calling with AQo. I mean if you had the 2k stack or whatever, and the 3k stack pushed, and the other two were on 800, and the blinds were 150/300, you should probably generally fold. But when you are the shortest or 2nd shortest stack, and facing a push from the 2nd shortest or shortest, AQo is virtually a mandatory call. But KJs, you are likely to be behind and he would need to be pushing a large range; however if the blinds are sufficiently high, and you think your chances are better to take this chance as a dog than get chips from the 2k and 3k stacks, then a call is perfectly ok.

11-18-2005 06:05 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
right.. also when my stack is low enough, basically i push with just about anything if not doing so will have me blinded out, say in the next orbit?

tigerite 11-18-2005 06:11 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
Well no not quite, but not far off, I suppose.

11-18-2005 06:13 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
i guess what i mean is, say 4 people left, if i have what i expect to be the best hand out of my next 4, then push.

tigerite 11-18-2005 06:20 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
Again, that depends really. The main thing is to keep Fold Equity (so you have enough to make the people after you fold, without the best hands), often times on the bubble, your hand doesn't really matter (when opening).

11-18-2005 06:29 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
could you explain fold equity a little more? i've heard about it but really don't understand it.

another problem i get is with blind steals. just now i sucked out 3rd by one guy going out the hand before my blinds put me at 0. i started ahead with 4 people a bit, but they raise my blind and i don't have that great of cards, what can i do but fold my chips away?

tigerite 11-18-2005 07:30 AM

Re: Bubble push with AQ
 
There's so many variables that are at stake, you're probably better off getting SNGPT and playing around with that, it's not cheap, but worth it. It's by eastbay. Fold equity just really is a posh way of saying 'how likely are they to fold to my (re-)raise/push'.


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