In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

Please be constructive with your criticism of this hand. I would appreciate specific advice on my river check call.

Villian is a huge LAG, calling pot size bets with any type of draw (ie gutshots, overcards, backdoor flush draws). Villian got $2000 in the middle of sometype of overpair on a 752 rainbow board with only one preflop raise. He has no problem putting money into the pot on any sort of draw and will bluff if he sees an oppurtunity. Villian has $3770 and hero covers.

Preflop: UTG (Villian limps), MP+2 limps, Button raises to $20, SB(Hero) is delt A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and raises to $120, UTG calls and everyone else folds.

Pot: $270

Flop: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero bets $400 villian calls

Pot $1070

Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

hero bets $1000, villian calls

Pot $3070

river: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero checks planning on calling villians remaining $2250 if bet.

Edit: Feel free to move this to medium stakes if it would be better suited. But I would like some responses from posters in this forum.

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

what stakes? 2/4? 3/6?

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

$3/$5 blinds, live at the players club in ventura CA. Was in my orignal post but got erased when I hit the back button and I forgot to put it in again.

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

does villain value bet thin? would he value push KK? Would he bluff push 99? Does he sloplay (often?)?

This is an extremely player dependent spot that unfortunately you are best suited to deal w/ (whether or not to call a big river bluff). If your reads are correct i think i like a turn c/r allin more (or turn chk/call river chk/call).

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

he limped, so I see JJ, if he really is overvalueing an overpair this much. but i think he has a set here most of the time.

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or AsKs/KsQs some other broadway flush

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

I don't think he calls the turn with JJ. Maybe if he had the jack of spades. I felt like he was drawing at me with the lone A of spades. He knew I had a huge hand.

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

You are right I should have check raised the turn all-in or check called the river if he checked the turn behind me. I think he puts me on AA and wouldn't push KK or another pair. I thought he had some type of draw, but my read could have been off.

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

is your hand really that transparent to this guy? you can ONLY have AA and no other pair here?

sounds like a metagame issue as well then.

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

Villain views me as a tight TAG, but the button who raised was extremely tight with a short stack, so that narrowed my range further to most likely a big pair.

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

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but i think he has a set here most of the time.

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I think a set has to protect his hand either on the flop or turn. I doubt a set is just calling down on a three flush board.

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

i dont mind check calling a push on the river, but it depends on the player. if hes the type that will check behind with JJ and stuff, you need to be value betting this river. if hes capable of shoving a missed flush draw on the river, then go ahead and check. holla

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You are right I should have check raised the turn all-in or check called the river if he checked the turn behind me. I think he puts me on AA and wouldn't push KK or another pair. I thought he had some type of draw, but my read could have been off.

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If he knows you have AA and expects you to call, then why would he bluff?

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

You didn't have a huge hand. You had one pair, and no spade on an all spade flop. That's actually a pretty weak postflop hand.

Given your read of "this guy is crazy, so I'm going to show down this hand," I think betting 400 on the flop was very bad.

You are out of position, with a medium hand, against an unpredictable player--why are you building a huge pot? If he flopped the nut flush, he has you ruined, because he knows your hand needs to catch two perfect cards to beat him, and can therefore slowplay. Based on your comments, it seems that if he had had AsXs, he would have stacked you for 750bbs. He might have stacked you with any hand that beat AA.

The way I see it, your primary concern should be to keep the pot small. I bet the flop and hope he folds. I check the turn. If he makes a large bet on the turn, I probably fold, because I know Im not calling an allin on the river. This hand is too bad for me to go broke with.

Re: In real deep ( over 750 BB)
 

I would check the flop.

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If he knows you have AA and expects you to call, then why would he bluff?

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This is a very key point.

You made this hand a lot harder than it needed to be by overbetting the flop. Do your standard continuation bet and take it from there.

I assume it's very possible he has been calling you down with something like 87 hoping to hit a second pair and bust you. The 7 isn't a very good card. Having got here in this fashion, give some serious thought to check-folding. Keep rereading what soah said.

Definitely try and keep the pot smaller and more manageable on the earlier streets, though.

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If he knows you have AA and expects you to call, then why would he bluff?

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1) I showed tons of weakness by checking the river.
2) Board got scarier.
3) Desperation, has a draw and the only way to win is bluff.
4) Knows I don't like putting in lots of money with somewhat marginal hands.
5) Knows I have layed down big hands before.

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Given your read of "this guy is crazy, so I'm going to show down this hand," I think betting 400 on the flop was very bad.

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I agree, playing a big pot OOP against a wild opponnent with a marginal hand is very stupid. How much would you have bet on the flop? I thought that I have a hand that needs to be protected so I will bet alot to protect it. This line of thought was not very smart.

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You are out of position, with a medium hand, against an unpredictable player--why are you building a huge pot?

The way I see it, your primary concern should be to keep the pot small.

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results
 

Not that everyone doesn't already know the results. The actual river was the 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I made a mistake in my post. I check called villian's allin river bet. He had 54 (no spades) for the straight. Yeti hit the nail on the head that he was trying to outdraw me. I shouldn't have bet so much on the flop and need to have position before playing these big pots with one pair hands. I did have the correct read that the villian was drawing at me, I just thought that he was drawing at the nut flush. Everyones responses were very informative.