overplayed or just right?
 

Villain is a LAG who loves the donk bluff. He's never donked both the turn and river before but he has donked either the turn or river 5-6 time before without the goods. He also sees way too many showdowns.


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Preflop: Hero is BB with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (9 BB) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Re: overplayed or just right?
 

I think that this line is reasonable. Without the read, however, I simply call the river, since the second donk usually means an Ax that hit two pair and was afraid to 3-bet. Not 3-betting allows the fish to go to showdown, which they like, without having to pay way too many bets when it's obvious that they're behind, which they don't lile. Even irrational players can understand what a turn 3-bet means.

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Is he the kind of LAG who will raise any Ace preflop?

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I don't hate your line but the river donk smells like two pair.

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I don't mind your line although the river donk is a little worrysome.

I'd just play it straight up against a lag and 3-bet the flop. I think that would have helped you make a decision later on in the hand.

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I 3-bet the flop but your line is intriguing as well...

But I don't think I'd have the balls to raise the river bet. Because we can't fold to a 3-bet anywhere, right?

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Given the read, I think this super fine.

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I normally 3bet the flop as my standard. But against this guy, your line might be best. If you think he will donk both the turn and river with just 1 pair, you get an extra bet with your line. B/c with my line, if I 3bet the flop and raise the turn, I am not raising the river donk.

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I think I would just call the river bet against an unknown. Against this guy who is overly aggressive on bluffs I think the raise may be good. But how often will he call this raise if he is on a complete bluff?

The river raise may be good, but does he call often enough for it to be profitable?

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against a normal player the river donk is worrisome, but a lot of these donkbet lovers seem to not care what you have... they just like to bet. i think the raise is good.

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Good.

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I see nothing wrong with the flop and turn play. Without knowing what he has it's .5BB better than putting him into calldown mode by 3-betting the flop, something that may or may not happen.

However after he donks the river, I don't think a raise is worth it here, he's going to have some random 2-pair often enough that this won't be profitable. This is just a gut feeling though, I have no math to back it up.

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based on your read I guess this looks perfect. But i would almost always 3 bet the flop.

I raise the turn as it looks like picked-up clubs.

River then I usually jsut call.

Re: overplayed or just right?
 

do we 3-bet the flop because raising the turn after raising the flop looks like a monster and he may not call down, but he would call down if we 3-bet the flop?

Why is 3-betting the flop better than waiting till the turn to put another raise in?

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Re: overplayed or just right?
 

This look good to me, but I'd be more inclined to 3-bet the flop.

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Against this opponent, river is correct. I've gotten in the habit of three betting these flops though against LAGs. I think it works out a lot better if u play hands very fast.

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Why is 3-betting the flop better than waiting till the turn to put another raise in?

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B/c lags don't like to believe flop raises and will give u more action.