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What does TAG mean in NL?

Seriously, I don't know.

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Touch and Go

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i dunno but i think it involves starting hand charts and something like that

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It means Tight Aggressive. Hope that helps.

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I wasn't trying to be funny. I see TAG in player descriptions relatively frequently and have no idea what that means when applied to NL. LAG is loose and aggressive which, to me, implies playing a lot of hands and betting/raising a lot of different sorts of hands (made hands, draws, etc.) postflop. Good LAGs know when to not be aggressive and bad LAGs just blindly throw chips into the pot until somebody folds or there's a showdown. Most people specify whether they're playing against a good LAG or a bad LAG but nobody says anything about TAG. They just say "MP is TAG" and leave it at that. When I read a description like that, I have no idea WTF it means.

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alright, let me give it a shot

in 6-max, i classify TAG as player who has a pretty tight range pre-flop (raising AA-99, AK-AT, KQ), but when he hits a hand / is the pre-flop aggressor, continues with that aggression post-flop, ex. c-betting

a TAG is someone who i dont expect holding 45s in a raised pot.

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Tight and Aggressive and opposed to Loose and Aggressive (LAG). They usually play a minimal amount of hands but play very aggressive when they have any kind of hands. Usually fast play everything and when you're in a pot they're putting maximum pressure on you.

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alright, let me give it a shot

in 6-max, i classify TAG as player who has a pretty tight range pre-flop (raising AA-99, AK-AT, KQ), but when he hits a hand / is the pre-flop aggressor, continues with that aggression post-flop, ex. c-betting

a TAG is someone who i dont expect holding 45s in a raised pot.

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So basically a TAG is a totally predictable and straightforward player? Why would anybody not want to play against them?

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i'm a tag and i'll be holding 10-8s in a raised pot.....

PH34R M3!

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alright, let me give it a shot

in 6-max, i classify TAG as player who has a pretty tight range pre-flop (raising AA-99, AK-AT, KQ), but when he hits a hand / is the pre-flop aggressor, continues with that aggression post-flop, ex. c-betting

a TAG is someone who i dont expect holding 45s in a raised pot.

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Wow I'm a lag !

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A TAG plays a relatively small number hands and agressively?

TAG doesn't necessarily define a particular style, it's more of a general classification.

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Wow I'm a lag !

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No. You are tag.

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Wow I'm a lag !

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No. You are tag.

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I know I was just kidding.

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alright, let me give it a shot

in 6-max, i classify TAG as player who has a pretty tight range pre-flop (raising AA-99, AK-AT, KQ), but when he hits a hand / is the pre-flop aggressor, continues with that aggression post-flop, ex. c-betting

a TAG is someone who i dont expect holding 45s in a raised pot.

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So basically a TAG is a totally predictable and straightforward player? Why would anybody not want to play against them?

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I think of a TAG as a person who mainly plays solid cards aggressively, but who can also mix in a few sneaky mid suited connectors and such. Because they play the occasional 76s the same way they play QQ, they can expect to make a higher percentage of successful bluffs.

Also, I think of a TAG as a person who's not afraid to get their chips in the middle, as opposed to your garden variety weak/tight.

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alright, let me give it a shot

in 6-max, i classify TAG as player who has a pretty tight range pre-flop (raising AA-99, AK-AT, KQ), but when he hits a hand / is the pre-flop aggressor, continues with that aggression post-flop, ex. c-betting

a TAG is someone who i dont expect holding 45s in a raised pot.

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So basically a TAG is a totally predictable and straightforward player? Why would anybody not want to play against them?

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Hey, at the 10/20 game, you probably want to play against them all day long. My understanding is that by the time you reach that level you'd better have learned a good LAG style.

But for us down at the 0.10/0.25, there are infinitely richer targets. I don't like playing against villains who only enter pots with premium hands, bet the hell out of them, price me out of my draws every time, and release when they think they're beat and punish me when they hit.

I like the ones who make fundamental mistakes. They call too much, badly overplay top pair or slowplay their monsters. TAGs may be straightforward, but I don't think of them as making basic mistakes; they aren't fish.

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alright, let me give it a shot

in 6-max, i classify TAG as player who has a pretty tight range pre-flop (raising AA-99, AK-AT, KQ), but when he hits a hand / is the pre-flop aggressor, continues with that aggression post-flop, ex. c-betting

a TAG is someone who i dont expect holding 45s in a raised pot.

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So basically a TAG is a totally predictable and straightforward player? Why would anybody not want to play against them?

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i dont mind playing against them, id just much rather be playing at a table w/maniacs or a bunch of loose passive calling stations

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I'd certainly consider myself TAG. I play about 21/15 preflop, so I can certainly be reraising preflop with 54s, but I don't see how you could call me a loose player. I just raise or fold most of the time. Straightforward players are my favorite group to play against, since it's very easy to run them over by raising a lot.

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Sorry to resurrect this thread, but it just occured to me that Bob Ciaffone could probably be classified as a TAG.

And I think he's pretty good, no?

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I view the T as just being tigher preflop, L being looser. The ag is the same postflop, they hammer away both as PF agressor and to defend their blinds.

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Sorry to resurrect this thread, but it just occured to me that Bob Ciaffone could probably be classified as a TAG.

And I think he's pretty good, no?

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This is what I was going to say.

Anyone here who claims that TAGs are the best opponents to play against is delusional or is simply clueless about what the definitions actually mean. I suspect it's mostly the latter, since half the time I see the term "LAG" used it's simply describing aggressive play in general with no relation to the tightness or looseness involved.

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Sorry to resurrect this thread, but it just occured to me that Bob Ciaffone could probably be classified as a TAG.

And I think he's pretty good, no?

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If so, then Stuart Ruben must be a LAG?

Personally, I've always thought of NL TAGs as solid preflop with weak-tight tendancies postflop. They make decisions quickly to be done with a hand, and generally shy away from aggression with air. LAGs love em.

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This seems to be going nowhere. I don't really get what the problem is. TAG is just a general term that means Tight and Aggressive. It is not like there is only ONE type of TAG player. There could be someone who is Tight and Aggressive and very tough and someone who is Tight and Aggressive and very weak. A tougher player will probably do things like know when to fire multiple barrells, finding good spots to pick up pots, be able to make good calls with weakish hands etc. The weaker player might still be aggressive but be overall very predicatable, folds too often doesn't bluff past the flop and so easy to pick on. There's many shades to this.

So TAG in a description doesn't alway paint a complete picture and may be what Ghaz was getting at.

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TAG means Tight and Aggressive

LAG means Loose and Aggressive

There are players who play a TAG game and lose.
There are players who play a TAG game and own.

There are players who play a LAG game and lose.
There are players who play a LAG game and own.

I would say that most people who think of themselves as LAG's aren't really LAG's. Just because you raise your suited connector from the button preflop doesn't make you a LAG. Everyone in this particular forum seems to be very caught up on this whole LAG/TAG thing when in reality very few players can play an effective LAG style. Most people that are beating the middle stakes online games are playing a TAG style and it works quite well in these middle limits.

Most people should quit worrying about transforming into a LAG superstar and become a solid TAG player.

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Most people should quit worrying about transforming into a LAG superstar and become a solid TAG player.

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Most people should quit worrying about transforming into a LAG superstar and become a solid losing player.

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FYP

I need the money.

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Also, the LAG is a somewhat recent invention as a model for success. Read posts from Ray Zee and some of the old school superstars disparagin LAGgy players as people who run good and think they invented poker, then run bad, freak out and go broke.

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This seems to be going nowhere. I don't really get what the problem is. TAG is just a general term that means Tight and Aggressive. It is not like there is only ONE type of TAG player. There could be someone who is Tight and Aggressive and very tough and someone who is Tight and Aggressive and very weak. A tougher player will probably do things like know when to fire multiple barrells, finding good spots to pick up pots, be able to make good calls with weakish hands etc. The weaker player might still be aggressive but be overall very predicatable, folds too often doesn't bluff past the flop and so easy to pick on. There's many shades to this.

So TAG in a description doesn't alway paint a complete picture and may be what Ghaz was getting at.

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This is what I was getting at. When I read a post where the only read is "Villain is TAG" or "my image is TAG", I don't know what that means or how to apply it to the posted hand. People usually elaborate (at least somewhat) on why they think they're in LAG mode or why their opponent is a LAG but never for TAG. I figured I must be missing something that is common knowledge to everyone else.

From the responses, it appears there are many different ideas about what the label "TAG" really means. If we aren't all using the same nomenclature, its quite difficult to talk strategy.