10-20 NL Hand
 

7 handed game, this is my first orbit. 2 off the button I open raise K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to 55. Unknown calls me in the Hi-Jack, everyone else folds.

Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet 100 he makes it 258, I call.

Turn A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check he bets 450

Plan? any good so far?

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When he bets on the turn like that after a rainbow flop you are [censored]. The A is the worst possible card for his holdings you are ahead of - if he is truly unknown this one flies to the muck. Also, most people raise more before the flop. 55 seems to be a number that will entice many more callers than say 70 or 80 (there is a noticeable difference IMO).
-James

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yea I have already moved my raise size up to 65. I have been raising smaller in tournaments lately (with good results), so I kind of slipped and did it the first few hands in the cash games.

About post-flop...can I come back over the top on the flop then?? I really hate the idea of my line being...call, check-fold here in general. Do I have to get used to using that line?

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Anyone else on this one?? This is the hard one of the 3 I posted I think

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Hiatus,

You can checkraise the flop as well. The bet/call is fine. As you played it, the turn card was horrible, so just check fold until you know this is a guy who can fire multiple barrel bluffs.

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Anyone else on this one?? This is the hard one of the 3 I posted I think

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This is actually very easy. Raise more preflop (as James noted, people will play a much wider range for 55 than for 80). Flop is fine. Turn check allows you to get bluffed by worse hands, but your hand isn't one that can stand any heart and you can't just check/call to the river hoping you're good.

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What if the turn is a card lower than a 9?

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What if the turn is a card lower than a 9?

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Bet again, silly.

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So bet the flop...call a raise. And then lead again on the turn?

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So bet the flop...call a raise. And then lead again on the turn?

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The raise was too small for me to take it seriously. I'm going to make sure he actually has a hand before I fold, and leading the turn does that. My advice though is based on my table image which is normally that of somebody stabbing at a lot of pots, so I'm always suspicious of people with position against me.

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Any merit to the fact that by taking this line we get money in on the turn when we are behind but not when we are ahead? Or is that the limit hold em player in me thinkig?

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What are you doing in a 10-20 nl game your plan really doesnt look like a plan.

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"What are u doing in a 10-20 NL game"

I have made a good amount playing poker and am in general terms a very good poker player (most of the money I have made has come from tournaments and limit hold em cash, but I am definitely up lifetime in NL cash, 5-10 NL live is how I built my initial bankroll). Playing a table of 10-20 NL is well within my comfort zone and bankroll, especially because I am almost definitely +EV in the game. Also I like to gamble and I enjoy new challenges. Lastly even if I go broke im sure James or Diablo will stake me 6-tabling Party 5-10 limit games.

Hope that answers your question, have a nice day

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"What are u doing in a 10-20 NL game"

I have made a good amount playing poker and am in general terms a very good poker player (most of the money I have made has come from tournaments and limit hold em cash, but I am definitely up lifetime in NL cash, 5-10 NL live is how I built my initial bankroll). Playing a table of 10-20 NL is well within my comfort zone and bankroll, especially because I am almost definitely +EV in the game. Also I like to gamble and I enjoy new challenges. Lastly even if I go broke im sure James or Diablo will stake me 6-tabling Party 5-10 limit games.

Hope that answers your question, have a nice day

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Great response Hiatus. Look me up if you go broke in this game(lmfao). Don't worry, I got responses like this when I started posting in this forum, but like you I was just a better poker player than all of the retards who go out of their way to make posts like his. You'll inevitably speed by these types while they sit around cursing your good luck.
-James

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What are you doing in a 10-20 nl game your plan really doesnt look like a plan.

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Whats boring with comments like this, is that people stop posting hands where they want to know how to play better and starts to post hands that you know you played right.

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hey dude - hands like this get much easier when villain is no longer unknown...but we all seem to be accepting that bet/call on the flop is fine. but bet call on a drawless board with a hand that can't really improve and no real plan for the turn isn't a great way to make money...etc...so yeah, raise more preflop.

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James,

Wow, you sound like quite the poker badass.

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Diablo,

Compared to campbrown1 and his contemporaries, I am quite the poker badass.
-James

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Diablo,

Compared to campbrown1 and his contemporaries, I am quite the poker badass.
-James

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James,

Everybody you know is a contemporary of campbrown1, so this is quite the audacious claim.

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the turn is horrid, easy check/fold.

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Hiatus,

You can checkraise the flop as well. The bet/call is fine. As you played it, the turn card was horrible, so just check fold until you know this is a guy who can fire multiple barrel bluffs.

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ElD, you really checkraise this? (on the flop)

please enlighten me

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Hiatus,

You can checkraise the flop as well. The bet/call is fine. As you played it, the turn card was horrible, so just check fold until you know this is a guy who can fire multiple barrel bluffs.

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ElD, you really checkraise this? (on the flop)

please enlighten me

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Induce a bluff by someone using position. He thinks it's an easy steal. Then you pop him. You get the pot or know for sure you're beat and can shut down if called.

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Hiatus,

You can checkraise the flop as well. The bet/call is fine. As you played it, the turn card was horrible, so just check fold until you know this is a guy who can fire multiple barrel bluffs.

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ElD, you really checkraise this? (on the flop)

please enlighten me

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Induce a bluff by someone using position. He thinks it's an easy steal. Then you pop him. You get the pot or know for sure you're beat and can shut down if called.

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then why not make this play with JT; 44; and A8? (etc)

Icould understand maybe flop c/r with AA>.. I think me raising pf then trying to c/r doesnt mesh with my overall game. something to add maybe

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I dont mind a 3 bet once in a while in such a scenario, he could put you on high cards and think his 88 or so i good on the flop.
A 3 bet on the flop slows him down without a monster and he actually may dump a hand such as TT.

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So on the turn I checked he bet 450 on a board of 952A...I called. The river I forget what it was...but it went check-check. I won, he had 77. I guess I suck? But I really didnt think he had it!

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I really dont like a passive line oop,
A 3 bet on the flop or CR on flop is prolly i would do.

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So on the turn I checked he bet 450 on a board of 952A...I called. The river I forget what it was...but it went check-check. I won, he had 77. I guess I suck? But I really didnt think he had it!

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I think most of the time if you take this line, you lose. As for "I really didn't think he had it..." I think that online these kinds of reads require extensive history to be anything more than lucky guessing.

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I c/f turn without read.

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Hiatus,

You can checkraise the flop as well. The bet/call is fine. As you played it, the turn card was horrible, so just check fold until you know this is a guy who can fire multiple barrel bluffs.

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If theres a non k/9 turn card im calling its an A.

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Hiatus,

You can checkraise the flop as well. The bet/call is fine. As you played it, the turn card was horrible, so just check fold until you know this is a guy who can fire multiple barrel bluffs.

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If theres a non k/9 turn card im calling its an A.

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Ok. Then what?

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I would want to re-raise this flop to $650 or so, but I would have no idea what to do if he just called. If he shoves I would feel fine folding. But I'm very bad at NLHE.

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I think it is very unlikely that he can call a big raise here, and that he is betting this much so that he can check down the river. I think its a good spot to make a move.

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I agree with u durrr, for some reason him betting through that A didnt seem right to me.

I called the 450 and checked a blank on the river, planning on folding to anything significant

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How can I become a poker badass? Is there an application I can fill out?