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PokerBob

12-04-2005 06:07 PM

AKo vs unknown

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero ?????????

Chairman Wood

12-04-2005 06:11 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

you seem not interested in the whole reads thing today.

PokerBob

12-04-2005 06:11 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

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you seem not interested in the whole reads thing today.

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sorry...didn't have one

PokerSparky

12-04-2005 06:13 PM

Re: AKO vs unknown

I usually call down in these spots. You have some outs against A2/A5 (only 3 against A9). I think you could be good here a percentage (maybe a small one) of the time as well. I'd get this to showdown and take a note on what he cold-called with.

Chairman Wood

12-04-2005 06:15 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

Unless he has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]x [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] where x is probably T or greater I think he is telling you he can beat your hand here. Do you believe him?

Edit : I forgot to think about "hidden outs."

POKhER

12-04-2005 06:20 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

3bet, i reckon he thinks you're donk betting.

If he has 2pair you've a fair ammount of outs.

If he has A+925 then ill pay i guess.

12-04-2005 06:27 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

Why do 90% of hand posts these days say, "No reads. Just sat down?" Maybe people are misplaying hands when they have reads but don't think they are. I want to see more read-based play. Default plays have limited utility.

In this hand, I call down. Smells like two ragged pair or A-high bluff on flop just made his pair. I wouldn't expect a flush draw here.

12-04-2005 08:32 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

Looks like a set,Axc or a two pair with an ace. I would just call down. With position Im 3-betting(lol, impossible?).

12-04-2005 09:02 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

time to pay for a read and call him /known/

POKhER

12-04-2005 09:05 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

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Looks like a set,Axc or a two pair with an ace. I would just call down. With position Im 3-betting(lol, impossible?).

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i reckon set waits for turn more often that not.

AX or 2pair most likly. maybe just a 9X being aggressive.

how do you 3bet in positon [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] When he checks to you ^_^? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

DCWildcat

12-04-2005 09:53 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

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Why do 90% of hand posts these days say, "No reads. Just sat down?" Maybe people are misplaying hands when they have reads but don't think they are. I want to see more read-based play. Default plays have limited utility.

In this hand, I call down. Smells like two ragged pair or A-high bluff on flop just made his pair. I wouldn't expect a flush draw here.

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Yeah, this is my pet peeve.

I call down.

PokerBob

12-05-2005 05:24 AM

results

Kovner

12-05-2005 05:31 AM

Re: results

A lot of players will raise here if they raised the flop. Thats why I call down here. Also, there are the reasons other people posted.

To contribute, if you think this guy is aggressive but not maniacal (I'd say that describes most 3/6 6maxers who know to be agressive), you can checkraise the turn and fold to a 3bet.

PokerBob

12-05-2005 05:35 AM

Re: results

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A lot of players will raise here if they raised the flop. Thats why I call down here. Also, there are the reasons other people posted.

To contribute, if you think this guy is aggressive but not maniacal (I'd say that describes most 3/6 6maxers who know to be agressive), you can checkraise the turn and fold to a 3bet.

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the problem with that is i may have outs against a poopier ace.

12-05-2005 06:12 AM

Re: results

I have started to think about hands like this myself and I dont know. If he is a LAG I think you have to call it down because he might do it with a flush draw but against thinking players.. :/ Safe to say I hate these spots.

MATT111

12-05-2005 08:00 AM

Re: results

Call this down. He might well have raised the flop with overcards. And AQ-AT is a more likely coldcalling hand than A9,A5,A2,99,55,22.

ErrantNight

12-05-2005 04:43 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

i would hypothesize because it's easier to play correctly with reads. hence, people have issues playing before they have them established.

also, people are lazy. bob isn't.

Superfoot

12-05-2005 04:53 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

(grunching)

without any stats i am 3betting here. The villian is most likely raising his 9 on the flop or either raising his flush draw (if he is aggressive enough). If he caps it on you, then I check/call the river.

MicroBob

12-05-2005 05:05 PM

Re: results

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Call this down. He might well have raised the flop with overcards. And AQ-AT is a more likely

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This is exactly what I thought.

Some players COULD raise this mostly-nothing flop with AQ or something...then hits the ace on the turn and is all excited.
Or he could have an AK also.

Bob's AK could still be good here and I think looking for a fold absent any read would be incorrect.

POKhER

12-05-2005 05:11 PM

Re: AKo vs unknown

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If he has 2pair you've a fair ammount of outs.

If he has A+925 then ill pay i guess.

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Woot my reads are improving, Or i'm a luck box.

I dunno if i let myself call the river but AK is so sexy i probably do then say "Knew it" straight after mucking.

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