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12-15-2005 04:26 PM

average profit from no limit 2/4
 
Hello all,

Just wondering what your expected rate of bb/100 is on the 2/4 n/l tables or Party 400 n/l. My super small database of about 3000 hands has mine at 10bb/100,while I not sure if this is sustainable I am wondering what a reasonable rate to expect would be? Any help is appreciated.

Gustavo 12-15-2005 04:31 PM

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this is getting annoying ! Seriously Who Cares play

12-15-2005 04:33 PM

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You dont care what you make? If I could find a thread about this I wouldnt have posted it

ahnuld 12-15-2005 04:43 PM

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6bb/100

aggie 12-15-2005 04:59 PM

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You dont care what you make? If I could find a thread about this I wouldnt have posted it

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There is a thread on this every week (seems like every day). Asking about an average winrate is in general pretty stupid. On average people lose exactly (rake / # of players at the table). Most players are losers. Of course some people do win but this varies drastically depending on how good they are. .001 bb/hr on the low side (decent player) to 10bb/hr on the high side (extremely good player - not many people sustain this winrate and most of those who can move up in limits).

rwanger 12-15-2005 05:01 PM

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People keep assuring me that 6-7BB/100 is amazing for middle nl, and impossible for high nl.

My winrate falls within that for 50k hands of 100/200/400nl at party 2-4 tabling.

Of course, I just stepped up to 400 and am at 15BB/100 over the first 6k hands....and I hope it lasts forever...

Doesn't feel like I'm getting lucky...I think what's happening is I'm not getting "unlucky" (ie. have won 25 out of 27 hands with AA and KK combined).

aggie 12-15-2005 05:07 PM

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Doesn't feel like I'm getting lucky...I think what's happening is I'm not getting "unlucky"

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Please elaborate on the difference between getting lucky and not getting unlucky. Do you think you're lucky that your AA's and KK's are holding up so often? Or just not unlucky?

Bukem_ 12-15-2005 05:12 PM

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Please elaborate on the difference between getting lucky and not getting unlucky. Do you think you're lucky that your AA's and KK's are holding up so often? Or just not unlucky?

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Getting lucky = putting all money in with overpair vs set and hitting your 2 outer.

Getting unlucky=putting all money in with overpair vs underpair and he hits 2 outer.

RikaKazak 12-15-2005 05:17 PM

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I"m doing 5.5 ptbb/100 or 11 bb/100 after over 100K hands

10 ptbb/100 NO WAY to sustain, 5 ptbb/100 easy to do

yvesaint 12-15-2005 05:25 PM

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i think if you have super picky table selection, you can maintain 10 ptbb/100

BobboFitos 12-15-2005 05:30 PM

Re: average profit from no limit 2/4
 
its sustainable, but that is a very expert winrate

aggie 12-15-2005 05:40 PM

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I"m doing 5.5 ptbb/100 or 11 bb/100 after over 100K hands

10 ptbb/100 NO WAY to sustain, 5 ptbb/100 easy to do

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It seems likely to me that you say 10ptbb/100 can not be sustained because you can't do it and you are unable to admit to yourself that there may be players that much better than you. (for the record, i can't sustain that type of winrate either but i certainly believe that some people can)

Rotating Rabbit 12-15-2005 06:25 PM

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I dropped to 2/4 the last 2 months (im working like 100 horus a week in my job which kidna sapps all energy to do anything else but sleep [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]( and fwiw i'm on 11ptbb/100 over 12k hands. I'm probably being lucky, u know the type of hidden luck that u cant see cos if i look at big pots lost/won theyre about the same. I think there are a few players at 2/4 that make 10+ tho from what ive seen.

ahnuld 12-15-2005 06:28 PM

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maaaaybe 2 tabling you can get 10bb 100 but I 5-7 table, and theres just no way. Id be happy to get 4bb per 100 when 6 tabling, still over 100 bucks an hour

Rotating Rabbit 12-15-2005 06:29 PM

Re: average profit from no limit 2/4
 
yeah thats a good point i never do more than 3

ps classical music i find is really good anti tilt stuff.

12-15-2005 06:31 PM

Re: average profit from no limit 2/4
 
Thanks forthe quick responses and info. I did a search and read about 100 threads and none came up with this answer. By the way what is ptbb/100? I was thinking 6-7bb/100 seemed sustainable at the 2/4 n/l for a good solid player.

12-15-2005 06:42 PM

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PTBB=$8 at 2/4, just double a BB.

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My super small database of about 3000 hands has mine at 10bb/100,

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This is 5ptbb/100 and is what people thought you were referring to.

tdomeski 12-15-2005 06:46 PM

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10ptbb/100 over like ~200K hands is a really really hard thing to do, and I would doubt if that many people could do it (if any to be honest).

12-15-2005 06:47 PM

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so what does pt stand for then ?

Bukem_ 12-15-2005 06:51 PM

Re: average profit from no limit 2/4
 
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Thanks forthe quick responses and info. I did a search and read about 100 threads and none came up with this answer. By the way what is ptbb/100? I was thinking 6-7bb/100 seemed sustainable at the 2/4 n/l for a good solid player.

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6-7 ptbb/100 is sustainable at 2/4.

12-15-2005 06:56 PM

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when you're referring to them from pokertracker. Pokertracker treats BBs like limit BBs, two times the big blind(or a big bet).

so.......PTBB=Pokertracker Big Bet (not big blind).

12-15-2005 07:19 PM

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ok I never really looked, mine is 10ptbb/100 which I was quite sure was way to high, but should have looked at the total on the end and been able to figure that out! Thanks everyone for the help!

ahnuld 12-15-2005 09:56 PM

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just redid my stats. In the last 4 hours im -22ptbb/100. Hope that helps.

Gregg777 12-15-2005 10:00 PM

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Ouch.

ahnuld 12-15-2005 10:02 PM

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dont cry for me argentina. Still made 1100 today.


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