Full House on the button vs PF raiser, easy stack right?
 

Party 10-20 NL

Unknown MP with 5800 Opens for 70, my stack is 2000

I call on button with JJ (good?). Heads up to the flop

J33 2 spades.

He bets 100...this is where u guys come in

Re: Full House on the button vs PF raiser, easy stack right?
 

Hard to imagine that a stack is the right play against a 100 bet into a 170 pot with another 1800 behind. The man is drawing thin or dead; let him come to you on the turn or river. What's going to call you if you stack?

Re: Full House on the button vs PF raiser, easy stack right?
 

easy stack? what do you think hes gonna stack off with? first you have to hope he has an overpair..

Re: Full House on the button vs PF raiser, easy stack right?
 

hands like this really really depend on the player.

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Call. Due to the exponential theory of pot growth, you should be able to get your moola in before the river.

Easy stack.

Re: Full House on the button vs PF raiser, easy stack right?
 

sorry Howard "stack" didnt mean push all-in on the flop. It just meant that somehow I could manipulate all his chips in the pot whether he had it or not. U suggest calling the flop?

Re: Full House on the button vs PF raiser, easy stack right?
 

Well, I wouldn't fold here. The rest is up to you.

Re: Full House on the button vs PF raiser, easy stack right?
 

I'd raise. If he's got an overpair then he is unlikely to put you on a boat. Only one combo of 33, and JJ would often reraise pf so he'll discount that.

-SmileyEH

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I raise this flop.
He would expect a monster to smoothcall..u raise..he prolly goes broke if he has an Over pair.

Re: Full House on the button vs PF raiser, easy stack right?
 

Id say you can call the flop. If you raise you may scare him off of a steal and if he does have a big pair or A J or something he'll fire again and you can trap.

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Depends on the player. Some guys will fire another bullet at you on the turn if you just call; others will be more likely to put all their money in if you raise right away to somewhere around triple the bet.

Much of it depends on how he perceives you; this really is one of those "it depends" situations.

If the man has an overpair, then a raise is in order. If he's on a hand like AK, he's so thin that a free card is in order.

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Hi. I almost always raise here. He wont put you on JJ, and will probably credit you for spades. Plus if he has spades, he might reraise you and you get your money in with him drawing dead.

If you call, several bad things can happen:
Card higher than J and you don't know where you are, although this shouldn't be too much of a concern, he's probably not gonna stack off if he makes a pair, but you're likely to get stacked if he makes trips.

Spade hits, and he slows down with his overpair. Obv this is of no good.

Finally, if a blank comes, and he does bet the turn with an overpair, and you raise, he's much more likely to give you credit for a big hand.

Like someone said though its v player dependant. If the guy's really loose preflop then calling might be better since in that case you hope he pairs the turn.

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I had a hand almost exactly like this on 5/10. 1k stacks Had 99 on the button, villain raised, i called, flop was 977 2 clubs. Villian bet 80 i popped to 225 he pushed. He had AcJc. If you dont raise the flop, there are so many scare cards that can come. If you dont raise the flop hes less likely to put money in with his over pair on the turn. If he has AK or AQ, then so be it, your not going to make much money off of him anyways. Id rather raise it up on the flop and have him think YOUR on the flush draw.

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Hmmm... well, if he's unknown to you, then you're unknown to him. I think I'd take my chances with popping it to maybe $400. Oh, by the way, I definitely like the PF flat call.

AK and AQ each have 6 pseudo-outs, but I think the chance of hooking QQ-AA (or flush draw) is worth excluding AK and AQ here. If you make it $400 and can get a call, then you've got a turn pot of $940, and, with another $500 bet on the turn,they're hooked for doubling up.

If you just flat call, you might let AK and AQ (or a flush) catch and win a little but I don't think you'll have enough betting opportunities to double up. If villain is any good, I think he'll have to lay down even AA on the turn anyway, but it's not going to be easy. I really don't think any of the overpairs can correctly lay down to $400 on the flop.

Re: Full House on the button vs PF raiser, easy stack right?
 

Hiatus,

Raise the flop.

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I also think a raise is best here. He could easily put you on the flush draw or AJ and play back at you with an overpair.

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I raise this flop.
He would expect a monster to smoothcall..u raise..he prolly goes broke if he has an Over pair.

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i agree that an overpair goes broke fast here, and if i have 4k i raise the flop; but w/ 2k i think i'd rather call and often catch a 2nd barrel from kqish type hands.

EDIT: i should notice flush draws... obv. raise.

dry i smootchall more often.