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The biggest dick move got me thinking and I hadn't remembered this for a long time. I don't really think it classifies as a dick move although probably not the best decisions were made.

When I was stationed in Korea I shared a room with 3 guys one of them one of them Brian, was really cool and my best friend, the other dan was really weird and not cool.

one time me brian and another friend mccalin came into the room and dan quickly went into the bathroom and then after a brief amount of time took off. Well a few minutes later I notice there is one of my movies in my VCR. My TV/VCR is set up directly across from bed in a way which can only be viewed by sitting on my bed.

I look at the movie and it was like some horror movie I had and Mclain chimes in with "I bet he was beating off on your bed and its at the shower scene" well I pop the movie in and low and behold its on the [censored] shower scene.

This is disturbing to me.

Well we get to talking and one thing leads to another and we start to wonder about old Dan. So we search his locker which he didnt lock it, Im gueessing from being in such a hurry. First thing we find is stack of old porn magazines no big deal.

Next thing we find are some photographs. Now not just any photographs but pics of a young girl probably 12ish sitting on some steps in shorts. only she has the shorts pulled inward at the groin so you can see here bare pussy. well now we're at a whole another level.

next we find a unmarked video tape. we play it.

scene one - is of 3 girls being filmed in what looks like a hotel swimming pool from behind some bushes. it lasts for about 10 minutes.

scene 2 starts in the dark. then the person holding the camera obviously turns on a flash light and what do we see. A rather large woman sleeping on a couch under a blanket. Well mr. cameraman slowly lifts away the blanket revealing a now completely naked rather large middle aged woman. it doesnt stop there oh no. the camera an seemingly puts the flashlight in his mouth and starts to play with what we assume is passed out naked rather large middle aged woman. this goes on for 2-5 minutes tops.

scene 3 starts with our roommate Dan sitting on a large bed, being filmed. He then quickly pulls down his shors and beats off right there on camera. He finishes in some toilet paper with some very animated facial expressions, pulls up his shorts and turns the camera off.

well we don't really know what to do at this point. tell our superiors? do nothing? give him [censored]? oh no. we take it to a next level. now most Army barracks will have what is called a rec room which is basically a unit family room with usually a large TV, VCR and something like a pool table.

now in korea with nothing much to do people love to watch movies and will pop anything in that old VCR. so we head on down and when nobody is looking put that thing smack dad on top of the VCR, fast forwarded right to scene 3. It's a Saturday so just about everyone is on free time.

well what do you know but not 4 hours later there is a big commotion a brewing and the tape is being played again and again while more and more people are being brought in.

well it turns out this probably wasnt the best idea as not two days later Dan killed himself.

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wow

edited to add: wow

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later Dan killed himself

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OH MY GOD !!!

WOWOWOWOWOWOWW !!!

That is why armies have a bad reputation....That is the ultimate form of humiliation...U should never forgive yourself for that !!

Sorry .... But that is the most vindictive and horrible thing I have ever heard...

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The biggest dick move got me thinking and I hadn't remembered this for a long time. I don't really think it classifies as a dick move although probably not the best decisions were made.


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Sorry I should have added this to my original post.....

But I can't believe that you are not haunted by the fact that your actions caused someone to take their own life..

He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL.....You are with your mate....and you think he's wierd anyway....So u expose his fragility by exposing him to all of his peers in a foreign country....

U should be ashamed....and if this was me - I would have never told anyone of this story ever....

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jesus

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by far the biggest dick move on this forum. nothing is even close to this, as no one has inadvertantly (sp?) killed someone. I have to ask....do you feel bad? He was obviously [censored] up, and I can only see myself feeling bad for maybe....half a year?


edited to say of course you felt bad, i guess i was asking if you still feel as bad now as you did then.

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by far the biggest dick move on this forum. nothing is even close to this, as no one has inadvertantly (sp?) killed someone. I have to ask....do you feel bad? He was obviously [censored] up, and I can only see myself feeling bad for maybe....half a year?


edited to say of course you felt bad, i guess i was asking if you still feel as bad now as you did then.

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When we found out I and probably we were more worried about the coming [censored] storm and how bad we were [censored]. thanks to our friend David who was like blarq in that he knew everything we ended up not getting in trouble at all.

I feel bad yes but being in the Army at the time I don't its hard to explain but I never had time to dwell on it for the next 3 years.

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for some reason i think ive seen a pic of you and you didnt strike me as the military type at all. also, i can see where being in the military would probably desensitize you to the fact taht this guy killed himself.

best wishes,
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We I guess I'm just heartless. I don't feel bad for him and I don't think you did anything wrong.

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That is why armies have a bad reputation....That is the ultimate form of humiliation...U should never forgive yourself for that !!

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Did you breeze over the part where the guy had child porn? No way I'd want some sick pervert like that to have my back if [censored] hit the fan.

Serves Dan right. Hope Hell's comfy for him.

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for some reason i think ive seen a pic of you and you didnt strike me as the military type at all. also, i can see where being in the military would probably desensitize you to the fact taht this guy killed himself.

best wishes,
nl

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the truth is I wasn't the military type at all. I did fine, never got in much trouble and moved up nicely (mostly because there are alot of people who can't really follow directions) but it wasn't a good fit. I got depressed a lot not from that but because it's not a thinking man's profession at least at the lower enlisted level. strange times. I met a few really cool guys though which made it better.

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that's a horrible story and i am very open minded...and in the army as well...i'm kind of hoping that story isn't true.

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As someone who's served, I saw my fair share of complete psychopaths, fake homosexuals, and all kinds of assorted nutjobs, and I would say without a doubt that [censored] didnt cause him to kill himself.

As someone who survived basic training after my gf sent a picture of me and her going at it, which was then blown up and framed in my barracks, take it from me, he could have lived that down.

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I met a few really cool guys though which made it better.

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this is what it's all about. without meeting good dudes it's nothing but a bunch of crap

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I can't understand why he should feel bad. Would you kill yourself just because your roomates saw you beat off?

You can't be responsible for other people's mental problems. This guy was obviously screwed up.

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That is why armies have a bad reputation....That is the ultimate form of humiliation...U should never forgive yourself for that !!

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Did you breeze over the part where the guy had child porn? No way I'd want some sick pervert like that to have my back if [censored] hit the fan.

Serves Dan right. Hope Hell's comfy for him.

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Yeah we sort of felt this way as well somewhat. Not the having our backs part as it just wasn't something we worried about but he was into child porn and those were actual polaroid pics not something from a magazine. plus scene 1 & 2 were pretty creepy as well. Basically we decided we wasn't the best person.

Brian took it the hardest probably because he was the oldest at 23 and was married. I was 19 and McClain was probably 20.

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Wow, that is some wild [censored]!

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Did you breeze over the part where the guy had child porn? No way I'd want some sick pervert like that to have my back if [censored] hit the fan.

Serves Dan right. Hope Hell's comfy for him.


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I read that as 12 pics....not 12 yrs old...

In that case....As from the Gary Glitter thread...I have no problems with this....

Move along now - Nothing to see !!

Although, the humiliation of being caught filming yourself jerking off is not comparable to a picture of you and your g/f getting freaky....

[Censored] I take the original slating back as I missed the Child porn reference....

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He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL

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Just to clarify he was jerking off in my bed. That's pretty different. I mean you're only issued one wool blanket man.

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He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL

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Just to clarify he was jerking off in my bed. That's pretty different. I mean you're only issued one wool blanket man.

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I cant imagine beating it on those blankets, god, you'd get a damn rash.

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Although, the humiliation of being caught filming yourself jerking off is not comparable to a picture of you and your g/f getting freaky....


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I dont know, it was pretty bad, thor the flesh hammer was exposed and all... of course, all the "female warriors" looked at me differently after taht.

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I can't understand why he should feel bad. Would you kill yourself just because your roomates saw you beat off?

You can't be responsible for other people's mental problems. This guy was obviously screwed up.

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Admitedly, i don't feel sorry for this guy. But i also couldn't just blow him off saying "ahh well, he was a [censored] up dude anyway."

edit: I really think he killed himself not just because people saw him beating off. I mean, all guys beat off, especially when you in the military and are without your gal for a while. I think he assumed cause you had that tape, everyone new about the kiddie porn and other [censored] as well.

edit 2: does everyone type the word [censored] or do they just say the f word when addressing [censored]?

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He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL

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Just to clarify he was jerking off in my bed. That's pretty different. I mean you're only issued one wool blanket man.

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I cant imagine beating it on those blankets, god, you'd get a damn rash.

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Yeah it kind of worked out though because mine went in a trash bag and to the bottom of my wall locker till it was time to turn it in. I ended up buying some satin delux super comforter in the local korean town for something like $10. It stayed with me during my entire service and I never had to use one of the god awful things again. I guess a thanks Dan would be appropriate.

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He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL

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Just to clarify he was jerking off in my bed. That's pretty different. I mean you're only issued one wool blanket man.

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I guess my knowledge of Army conditions is very limited... However, would u really be offended and put out by someone jerking off in your bed...?

The one blanket thing does put it into another perspective....? However, this whole situation probably happens a lot more than I would imagine...

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Just to finish the story up.

We didn't see him at the weekend, and Sunday both me a Brian were like WTF and sort of worried. He was AWOL Monday morning and we were both like oh [censored] oh [censored].

By Lunch time our room was taped off and all his [censored] was taken out and we found out he hung himself in the bathroom of another barracks. One of his friends or something was in that unit.

I don't think I could get across how freaked out we were. We had to talk to CID seperately (criminal investigations division) and we told the whole story except we changed it to so the tape in my VCR was his masturbating/molesting/stalking tape. figuring that since he had left it within my property we couldn't get busted for taking it. Nothing ended up happening to us but also nothing was ever said to us about the child porn which they would of had to find.

It was a strange time for the unit, we got time off which was weird because honestly 99.5% of the guys didn't give a [censored]

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I guess my knowledge of Army conditions is very limited... However, would u really be offended and put out by someone jerking off in your bed...?


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Yeah man I was pretty [censored] bothered by it. I was also 19 and had my two friends giving enough [censored] to fill a house.

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what you did was horrible.

sure this guy's a nutjob. sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?

Resolve it privately.

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what you did was horrible.

sure this guy's a nutjob. sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?

Resolve it privately.

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This is really a bit results oriented.

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what you did was horrible.

sure this guy's a nutjob. sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?

Resolve it privately.

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If by "resolve it privately" you mean "flag down the nearest officer and report the son of a bitch", then yes.

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what you did was horrible.

sure this guy's a nutjob. sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?

Resolve it privately.

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This is really a bit results oriented.

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Not really. Public humiliation to this degree is pretty inhumane in my opinion

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But I can't believe that you are not haunted by the fact that your actions caused someone to take their own life..


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He did not cause that guy to kill himself. Nobody caused that but the guy. It's sad and I am sure the dude needed some serious psychiatric care, but [censored] didnt cause it. A normal healthy person would not kill themselves just because a masturbation tape got distributed.

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Dude, it wasn't just the masterbation tape. that tape was with others that linked him to child porn and videotaping/raping some woman. He obviously thought something was going to happen to him (arrested, exposed) and made the pre-emptive strike....against himself. However, i don't see me feeling bad for a long period of time.

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Holy [censored].

So in the tradition of the thousands of Suicide Prevention classes you had to attend, were there any types of warning signs? (like did he at least offer you his CD or porn collection)

As a commander, I can tell you that possession of Child Porn (depending on how much/content etc) will often get a minimum of a Special Court Martial, confinement, loss of rank/pay, and a Bad Conduct Discharge. If his CO finds out about this stuff (which was only a matter of time since his tape was broadcast for all to see), his prospects were pretty dim.

I don't think [censored] has much responsibility for this guy's suicide. The tapes/pictures he had are an obvious indicator of serious mental issues. The episode may have served as a catylist for him taking his own life, but given what was happening inside his head, it's hard to imagine him NOT doing something to hurt himself at a point later in time. [censored] probably just accelerated an inevitible eventuality.

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Dude, it wasn't just the masterbation tape. that tape was with others that linked him to child porn and videotaping/raping some woman. He obviously thought something was going to happen to him (arrested, exposed) and made the pre-emptive strike....against himself. However, i don't see me feeling bad for a long period of time.

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I lolled so hard at pre-emptive strike

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Wow.

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Eh.

Yeh he should be really pissed off that the guy jerked off on his bed, that's like a penis slap in the face.

The guy deserved to be outed for the kiddie porn. Maybe you saved someone's kid?

You're not responsible for his death. First of all everyone is responsible for their own actions, and 2nd, he was the one who left evidence around.

Just one of those things

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It seems like you can talk about it pretty freely, which is a good thing. I don't think you should feel bad about it at all. He was just a screwball.

One more weirdo creep gone, 165415645132 more to go.

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The guy had it with him, in his footlocker, unlocked? He wanted to be outed. So he could get it over with.

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Probably saved the world from another John Wayne Gacy/Ted Bundy type.