Hey Man, Don\'t Look At My Other Card
 

I bet the river heads up against a local here in Los Angeles (who I play with all the time), and he folded. The dealer pushed me the pot and I showed one of my cards, then tossed both cards to the dealer face down. The guy (who is nice and was just having a little fun) reached over and peeked at my other card.

No biggie, I didn't really care, but of course I made a big production out of it, called the floor over, and told the guy he had to give me a yellow chip for his foul. Anyhoo, the floor came over and said the player actually had the right to look at my other card once I had exposed one of them.

WTF?

Sparks

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he made an incorrect ruling. are you really that suprised?

rj

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at Canterbury, it's show one, show both - it's also show one, show all... - but that's in a showdown, not to a folded river bet - if he don't pay, he has no right to see a card....

However, to GRAB the card and do it is BS - you tell the dealer you want to see the other card and let him flip it...

ah well...

RB

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How come, since you were in such a jovial mood, didn't you just reach across the table and bitch-slap him? Then, in a very jovial way, explain to the donk that he hadn't paid to see any card you didn't choose to show him. Laughingly, of course. And if he can't take a joke, tuff.

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he folded

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Therefore he has no right to see your cards.

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The guy...reached over and peeked at my other card.


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This would result in a "Please, don't EVER touch another players cards Sir" from me if I was dealing.

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the floor came over and said the player actually had the right to look at my other card once I had exposed one of them.


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Never heared of this "rule" before. Could be a house rule I guess.

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at Canterbury, it's show one, show both - it's also show one, show all... - but that's in a showdown, not to a folded river bet - if he don't pay, he has no right to see a card....

However, to GRAB the card and do it is BS - you tell the dealer you want to see the other card and let him flip it...

ah well...

RB

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I've seen this rule play at CP myself. If a player shows one card, other players have a "right" to see both. Some dealers will automatically flip up both, others will do it if asked. I think it has to do with a misguided attempt to avoid taunting. I like "show one, show all" to keep one player from having the advantage of seeing another player's cards, but I think showing one card to the whole table should be fine. Taunting is all part of the game.

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they screwed up one night - let a guy do something he wasn't supposed to do.

About 3 yrs. ago I was there and I had this guy on my right who, preflop, would turn over an A in his hand, place it face up on the table, and raise. He wasn't mucking, but he was showing one card during the hand.

Nowadays, all rules generally don't allow you to do that - if you show cards before the last river bet the hand is considered dead in tournaments and most limit games. But back then they let him do it about every time as I recall that night.

RB

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ive heard it repeated by a few dealers at commerce when this happens "show one show all" - maybe its the rule

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It is correct, you show one you must show both. At some CA card rooms if you only show one your hand is ruled dead.

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This is a bastardization of the "show one show all" rule.

See, if you show your hand to one player, everybody has the right to see it. Tons of people know this, and have simplified it as "show one show all".

The "one" or "all" refers to people, not cards. But "show one show all" is heard often enough that people thin it refers to cards. Seriously, you can't play for an hour live without hearing this phrase.

However, in (I assume) most places, the "show one show all" rule refers ONLY to people, not cards. I have checked the rulebook at one of the LA cardbarns, and I'm 100% certain this is the rule at that cardbarn. I assume it is true at others as well. The bastardization of the rule is just very rampant, to the point that floorpersons and dealers think it's a rule.

To prevent any confusion, when I want to show one card in this situation, I muck the card I don't want to show. After it hits the muck, I turn over the card I want exposed.

Josh

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It amounts to taunting. I thought it was standard that if you showed one, the other player could ask the dealer to expose both. It is just good etiquette to do neither (ask to see the other card nor show only one card).

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It amounts to taunting.

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Usually.

The only time I do it is when I'm showing the guy the one card that makes my hand (i.e. the ace of trump when 4-flush showing).

But, say I called a raise in the BB w/ a marginal holding because the raiser is a lousy player (hence me showing my hand, to make him happy). I may call a raise w/ like A7o or something. I don't want to show that my kicker is an offsuit 7. Blah blah blah....

Josh

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The issue here is not that the player has the right to see the hand, but that the player flipped up the hand on his own when the correct thing to do would be to ask the dealer to do so.

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I thought it was standard that if you showed one, the other player could ask the dealer to expose both.

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No. What Josh said is correct.

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This is a bastardization of the "show one show all" rule.

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A few weeks ago I would have said you're right. Recently some clubs (Hollywood Park for sure after speaking with shift manager Steve Iino) have made this a "show one card, show both cards" rule. Per Steve the reason is that showing one card was usually done as a sort of taunt and they wanted to cut down on this.

Now if they can only get people to stop exposing cards while a multi-way hand is in play [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

~ Rick