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12-23-2005 02:04 AM

Cold-Cards
 
Why does it seem like I can never get a good starting hand? Does anybody else ever have this problem?


I played in a MSNG tonight, took 14/45, but I played only 10 hands out of about 50...that isn't good!

JeanieJ 12-23-2005 02:06 AM

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Varience, deal with it.

gobboboy 12-23-2005 02:06 AM

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http://gobboboy.homestead.com/files/punt.jpg

12-23-2005 02:07 AM

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Varience, deal with it.

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Does it really follow you everywhere you go?

JeanieJ 12-23-2005 02:11 AM

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Yeah actually it does. You're running bad. You know it. How long will it go on? Who knows? It's one of those things that could go on for a very, very, very, very, very, very, very very very long time.

As players we have to learn to deal with it. Truthfully it breaks most players.

Oh yeah, Merry Xmas [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-Jeanie
xo*Kisses*xo

yvesaint 12-23-2005 02:14 AM

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how many tournaments have you played

thats what i thought

12-23-2005 02:14 AM

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Just doesn't seem right, getting a bunch of crap cards no matter what site I play on.

JeanieJ 12-23-2005 02:15 AM

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Varience has nothing to do with WHERE you play.

Why is it losing players always think it's the site's fault?

12-23-2005 02:16 AM

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how many tournaments have you played

thats what i thought

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How many do you suggest I play before I think I'm not getting any good cards?

12-23-2005 02:17 AM

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Varience has nothing to do with WHERE you play.

Why is it losing players always think it's the site's fault?

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I don't blame it on the site. I just wonder why it keeps happening?

JeanieJ 12-23-2005 02:17 AM

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200 or more how many do you have 5? 6?

JeanieJ 12-23-2005 02:18 AM

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I don't blame it on the site. I just wonder why it keeps happening?

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It happens to every player. It's a part of the game.

12-23-2005 02:19 AM

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200 or more how many do you have 5? 6?

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I'm around the 20's. I barely cash in on any of them.

yvesaint 12-23-2005 02:19 AM

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how many tournaments have you played

thats what i thought

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How many do you suggest I play before I think I'm not getting any good cards?

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are you serious, do you really think that you specifically are "not getting good cards"

because if so: haha

12-23-2005 02:19 AM

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No need to be grumpy!

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

12-23-2005 02:20 AM

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Your mind plays tricks on you when it happens over and over and over and over again.

yvesaint 12-23-2005 02:21 AM

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Your mind plays tricks on you when it happens over and over and over and over again.

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20-30 MTTs is not over and over again its not even a single over again

12-23-2005 02:22 AM

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Haha, well it seems like it to me.

I had one recently 45 player Stars MSNG, I finished 3rd. I was getting great cards. I probably got KQ about 5 times within 20 hands. But other than that, it's been a struggle.

yvesaint 12-23-2005 02:23 AM

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Haha, well it seems like it to me.

I had one recently 45 player Stars MSNG, I finished 3rd. I was getting great cards. I probably got KQ about 5 times within 20 hands. But other than that, it's been a struggle.

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ok, i have to admit, this post made me smile and think to myself "hey this is kinda cute"

12-23-2005 02:24 AM

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Should I ask why?

JeanieJ 12-23-2005 02:25 AM

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I'm around the 20's. I barely cash in on any of them.

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A good player knows varience when he/she sees it. A bad player calls it cold cards and doesn't bother to fix his leaks.

You're probably not doing something right. You probably don't have much experience to know when you're hitting a patch of varience. Which also means your game isn't probably all that great. Time to study, learn, practice and stop whining about cold cards.

Instead of whining take action. Otherwise, you're just wasting time.

JeanieJ 12-23-2005 02:26 AM

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Yeah why. KQ is the nuts preflop. DUH. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

12-23-2005 02:27 AM

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I'm around the 20's. I barely cash in on any of them.

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A good player knows varience when he/she sees it. A bad player calls it cold cards and doesn't bother to fix his leaks.

You're probably not doing something right. You probably don't have much experience to know when you're hitting a patch of varience. Which also means your game isn't probably all that great. Time to study, learn, practice and stop whining about cold cards.

Instead of whining take action. Otherwise, you're just wasting time.

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Thanks for speaking more. I can't say I'm a terrible player, but I'm not great either. But I do feel like something isn't going right. Maybe I am a bad player.

So what is your suggestion on taking action within variance?

JeanieJ 12-23-2005 02:32 AM

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I'm not saying you're getting cold cards but it probably wouldn't hurt you to learn a bit more about the game. Starting hands, what position to play them in. How to read players, betting patterns etc etc etc. Basically study the game more.

There are always people in life who blame others for their own faults. Poker has a lot of those people. They blame the sites, the cards, the opponents, the day of the week, what they ate for lunch! Anything, as long as it's not their fault. You can already say you probably aren't a "great" player. Good start. Go from there. Read a few forums, read a few books, learn all you can about the game. You'll probably see a huge difference in what you call "cold cards". It's likely you'll find it wasn't the cards at all.

Jeanie
xo*Kisses*xo @ Stars

12-23-2005 02:35 AM

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I have read a few, I am reading a few, and I will be reading a few more after Christmas.

I just went to a real casino tonight and won 80$. Then I come here and can't buy a set (or a high card).
I don't know, I was just thinking , I'm not as patient on my computer than I am in a casino. I think it's the atmosphere....

JeanieJ 12-23-2005 02:37 AM

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Well you're a recreational player. If you like playing at a casino, then play at a casino.

12-23-2005 02:40 AM

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I'm trying to go beyond that. I play online almost 24 hours a day. If I'm not doing anything else, I'm playing poker on my computer. The casino is an hour away so it's not always convenient to drive there.

12-23-2005 02:42 AM

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http://www.ncaabbs.com/funnies/general/roomcare.jpg

12-23-2005 02:45 AM

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Yeah I don't care about that guy either. What is the point?

12-23-2005 04:33 AM

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nh

always good to start a workingday with a topic like this [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

12-23-2005 04:53 AM

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I played in a MSNG tonight, took 14/45, but I played only 10 hands out of about 50...that isn't good!

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That's 20% which is fine. I usually play less hands than that.

12-23-2005 06:18 AM

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Yeah. I play less than 20% as well.

With poker you're not guaranteed to get good hands. Actually at any time the odds are in favor of your next hand being complete crap.

If you think you're getting bad cards, then figure out what the odds are of getting a good hand. Then try keeping notes. I'm sure you'll find that you're getting pretty much the hands you should expect over time.

For instance if you think TT+, AJ+ and KQ are good hands, then on average you should get 1 good hand in 14 hands. That means you should play 7 hands out of 100. That's way less than the 20% you play now.

tshak 12-23-2005 06:18 AM

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That's 20% which is fine. I usually play less hands than that.

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Seems fine to me too. When I'm "cold decked" in a given tournament I'm usually playing ~13% of my hands. Normally closer to 20%.

ansky451 12-23-2005 06:20 AM

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I have officially casted my vote for post of the year.

IgorSmiles 12-23-2005 09:17 AM

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Variance is a myth. Online poker is rigged and the cards are out to get me!

Bigdaddydvo 12-23-2005 10:32 AM

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HA HA HA.

With all the high PPs and AKs I've been getting, I figured SOMEONE out there had to be getting screwed. Turned out it was you!

Sam T. 12-23-2005 10:37 AM

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On-line poker is a giant set-up intended to make the rest of us rich by bankrupting you $20 at a time.

Someone want to lock this thing?

winky51 12-23-2005 10:44 AM

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There arent that many to get and probably other players seem like they are playing more because they are playing looser. You need to think about times when you can steal blinds and make some extra cash.

Also so what if you only played 10 hands. If they win you the money thats good. I have had tournaments where I played 4 hands to get to final 3. single table of course. Then I opened my game.

Don't worry about it. Basic rule is that if you dont play it in limit dont play it in no limit. I was once like you very very anally tight. You will figure out what works and what does eventually and play more hands. I mostly steal.

My general play is to play tighter early and looser later when its on the bubble.

12-23-2005 11:53 AM

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You may just be a [gasp] losing player. If you've played 20-30 SNG games up to this point and have only cashed in one of them this may be the case. It's hard to say for certain without a larger sample.

What books have you read and what do you plan to read? Do you feel you have any strong points to your game? Anything you know you need to work on?

It's good to figure out where you stand and analyze your own play. Try to figure out where your leaks are and plug them. I know from your previous posts that you have PT - go through your hand histories in the replayer and analyze your own play.

I notice you've made a lot of hand posts in the SSSH forum but nothing here yet. Any reason why?

nath 12-23-2005 01:49 PM

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There arent that many to get and probably other players seem like they are playing more because they are playing looser.

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Yeah, poker tracker tells me I play over 30% of hands. But then I'm a well known donkey fish.

My suggestion is: early on, try to get into multiway pots cheap with good drawing hands, and push your good hands hard because there are enough donkeys around who will be eager to pay you off. As the tournament progresses, and the blinds are bigger part of your stack (especially if there are antes), open up and look for spots to steal pots preflop. Basically play the opposite of how your table is playing.

Also, get a better luckbox.


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