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I\'m moving down (LC)
Well....I just had my 1st 10 buyin downswing. Combination of bad beats tilt and shittty play. This feels really really horrible I'll see u guys again later. I think my roll is down to $1700 or so after today. I started playing weak tight as hell today and then lost about $500 more on bad beats. (overpair catching a set to beat my set, runner runner AK bluff to beat my 2 pair, donk pushing 66 and beating my AA, etc etc...) then I lost $200 with QQ to an obvious set 'cause I tilted.
In my year of gambling online this is by far the worst I've felt, but its not healthy for me to stay at 200NL right now. I am nto sure why I am posting this but I guess there isin't really anyone I know that I feel like telling this to. [censored] -Pokerjoker |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
Sorry man.
Good luck rebuilding your roll. Good job knowing that you need to move down. |
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Same thing has happened to me 3 times now.
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hope to see you again at 1/2 soon
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
Based on the content of your posts and analysis, I suspect that you were probably a very small winner to break-evenish in the 200 NL game.
In this situation you are often going to have seemingly insane swings. Take a week or two off and hit the 100 game with a fury and focus. Send me a PM if you wanna talk. |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
Good luck man. I've been through that a number of times now. You'll get better at it. Good job moving down before you end up at a 10/20 table with your whole BR in play [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
I was there last week.. tilted/badbeated off 75% of my online BR down to like 700$, then it turned around and I've since more than doubled it again... had to take a little break and move down a bit though.
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Sorry man. Good luck rebuilding your roll. Good job knowing that you need to move down. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Work your bankroll back up to at least 4k, and re-evaluate your play before you move back up.
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Sorry man. Good luck rebuilding your roll. Good job knowing that you need to move down. [/ QUOTE ] |
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I've never moved down but then I make sure my bankroll is 40xBB before moving up - I think there are two routes to bankroll management - the 'take a shot' school where you have to be prepared to move down or get busted if you overreach or get unlucky (but if things go well you move up much faster and make more money)and the 'tortoise' school that is ultra-cautious about only moving up when they are SURE they are ready.
I'm very much a tortoise (I figure there is no rush) and I get the feeling I'm in the minority from most of the stuff posted here. |
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I don't know what your playing habits are but for me the best thing when i run bad is to take some time off. When i run bad i eventually start to play bad and then even when the cards even out i continue to play bad and results continue to suffer.
So i take some time off and when i come back i'm usually able to play my A-game again |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
no no no there's LOTS of tortoises here, us "risk-takers" are just FAR more vocal.
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
I just moved up a few days ago to 200 made a few buy ins and have since lost those and a few more. I am only a few more away from joining you back at 100. Hopefully I'll see you at 200 not at 100 very soon.
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
I'm taking a couple weeks off as well. I have a big problem with tilt that I need to work on before I start playing again. Good luck.
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
Dropping a level after a huge down swing shows good judgment, many who don't have the discipline to do so will blow their whole roll.
There's no shame in this whatsoever, and most have had to do this at one time or another. The 200 games will be waiting for you when you're ready to move back up. Do you play Short Handed or Full ring? Variance is through the roof with SH play, compared with a full ring TA style play. In two years of online play, I've dropped maybe 5-6 buy-ins a couple times playing full ring, but when I play short handed this is almost a routine occurrence. |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
This happens to everyone and it's always a very depressing feeling. Go out with your buddies and remind yourself of how trivial poker really is.
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
man dont worry about it, every poker player suffers from at least one swing where they think they cant do ANYTHING right
my bankroll was once at $15000 what is it now? oh, $6000 i tilt, i play bad when i run bad, and it just all goes downhill for me. ive made a little vow to myself to 5-6 table 200 NL grind for the next few months until i get back to at least that $15000 it sucks real hard, knowing that if i had the roll/patience, i could definitely crush the 400 nl game but right now i just gotta get that roll back so keep truckin man |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
The holiday season is great for profits with all the college students having extra time to play during break. Rebuild your roll and get back into the game
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i am a college student haha
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
ditto,come take my money bitches....
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man dont worry about it, every poker player suffers from at least one swing where they think they cant do ANYTHING right my bankroll was once at $15000 what is it now? oh, $6000 i tilt, i play bad when i run bad [/ QUOTE ] me too [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] -$2500 for today.... I think maybe my choice in screen name has jinxed me. Maybe exposing my tiltness to the world will help cure it [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Villian is loose-passive and min-raise means monster. Hand #10100777-3993 at Goteborg (No Limit Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 08/Dec/05 21:16:06 gpaxian is at seat 0 with $1376.45. ACDollar is at seat 1 with $542. fletch15 is at seat 3 with $689.50. ArmyDrill is at seat 4 with $303.15. Tilt Monkey is at seat 5 with $763.10. The button is at seat 0. ACDollar posts the small blind of $3. fletch15 posts the big blind of $6. gpaxian: -- -- ACDollar: -- -- fletch15: -- -- ArmyDrill: -- -- Tilt Monkey: Jc As Pre-flop: ArmyDrill calls. Tilt Monkey raises to $27. gpaxian calls. ACDollar calls. fletch15 calls. ArmyDrill calls. Flop (board: Ts 6h 9h): ACDollar checks. fletch15 checks. ArmyDrill checks. Tilt Monkey bets $99. gpaxian folds. ACDollar folds. fletch15 folds. ArmyDrill raises to $198. Tilt Monkey re-raises to $729. ArmyDrill goes all-in for $276.15. Tilt Monkey is returned $452.85 (uncalled). Turn (board: Ts 6h 9h Kh): (no action in this round) River (board: Ts 6h 9h Kh Kc): (no action in this round) Showdown: Tilt Monkey shows Jc As. Tilt Monkey has Jc As Ts Kh Kc: a pair of kings. ArmyDrill shows Tc 9s. ArmyDrill has Tc 9s Ts Kh Kc: two pair, kings and tens. Hand #10100777-3993 Summary: $2 is raked from a pot of $687.30. ArmyDrill wins $685.30 with two pair, kings and tens. ---------------------------------------------------------------- And my best river call ever: Hand #10101713-4283 at New Market (No Limit Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 07/Dec/05 23:50:02 Fleacer is at seat 0 with $993.70. Tilt Monkey is at seat 1 with $795.50. gonakin is at seat 2 with $211.20. TNWhisky is at seat 3 with $262.90. AGreatDane is at seat 4 with $70.70. Suri is at seat 5 with $358. The button is at seat 3. AGreatDane posts the small blind of $2. Suri posts the big blind of $4. Fleacer: -- -- Tilt Monkey: Tc Th gonakin: -- -- TNWhisky: -- -- AGreatDane: -- -- Suri: -- -- Pre-flop: Fleacer folds. Tilt Monkey raises to $14. gonakin folds. TNWhisky re-raises to $48. AGreatDane folds. Suri folds. Tilt Monkey calls. Flop (board: 3h 3c Qs): Tilt Monkey checks. TNWhisky checks. Turn (board: 3h 3c Qs 9c): Tilt Monkey checks. TNWhisky bets $34. Tilt Monkey calls. River (board: 3h 3c Qs 9c Qd): Tilt Monkey checks. TNWhisky bets $170. Tilt Monkey calls. Showdown: TNWhisky shows As Ac. TNWhisky has As Ac Qs 9c Qd: two pair, aces and queens. Tilt Monkey mucks cards. (Tilt Monkey has Tc Th.) Hand #10101713-4283 Summary: $3 is raked from a pot of $510. TNWhisky wins $507 with two pair, aces and queens. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I even thought to myself. Nice, he's value betting his straight [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Hand #10100777-4041 at Goteborg (No Limit Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 08/Dec/05 21:32:56 ACDollar is at seat 1 with $195. MiltonFine is at seat 2 with $936.40. fletch15 is at seat 3 with $633.95. ArmyDrill is at seat 4 with $836. Tilt Monkey is at seat 5 with $600.50. The button is at seat 4. Tilt Monkey posts the small blind of $3. ACDollar posts the big blind of $6. ACDollar: -- -- MiltonFine: -- -- fletch15: -- -- ArmyDrill: -- -- Tilt Monkey: 9h 9c Pre-flop: MiltonFine raises to $21. fletch15 folds. ArmyDrill folds. Tilt Monkey calls. ACDollar folds. Flop (board: Tc Kh 9s): Tilt Monkey checks. MiltonFine bets $36. Tilt Monkey calls. Turn (board: Tc Kh 9s Qd): Tilt Monkey checks. MiltonFine bets $60. Tilt Monkey calls. River (board: Tc Kh 9s Qd 2d): Tilt Monkey checks. MiltonFine bets $120. Tilt Monkey calls. Showdown: MiltonFine shows Js Jc. MiltonFine has Js Tc Kh 9s Qd: straight, king high. Tilt Monkey mucks cards. (Tilt Monkey has 9h 9c.) Hand #10100777-4041 Summary: $2 is raked from a pot of $480. MiltonFine wins $478 with straight, king high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
Good judgement in knowing when to move back down. Go kill the 100NL game for awhile to rebuild your confidence. If you multitable I don't think there is anything wrong with throwing in a 200NL table or 2 with a BR of considerably less than the recommended 4k. But just concentrate on killing the 100NL solely for awhile. Confidence is key in poker, get that back no matter what level. best of luck.
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
Good luck PokerJoker - I'm currently in 100NL - 200NL limbo, where I can maintain an ok winrate at 100NL, but as soon as I go up, my downswing "re-emerges" and I drop 5 buyins. That hurts.
A lesser poker player than ourselves would go broke in half the time with the beats I've taken. I can only keep trying, then, just maybe, I can consolidate my place at the 200NL tables and I'll see you there. Here's to 2006. Ojo_Rojo |
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ps. If you want to swap hand histories with me, at either 200NL 6max or full-ring, then I'm game.
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i think you can play these better--
1)raise less w/ AJ, fold flop 2)fold river 3)i often like to raise that flop to get $ out of AK |
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i think you can play these better-- [/ QUOTE ] I agree. [ QUOTE ] 1)raise less w/ AJ, fold flop [/ QUOTE ] I always for pot preflop. And yeah i should definitly fold flop. Also, I often check a flop like this, but at this point i felt i had been chechking too many and there was a good chance i could take down this healthy pot. [ QUOTE ] 2)fold river [/ QUOTE ] yes, i k´now [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] 3)i often like to raise that flop to get $ out of AK [/ QUOTE ] yeah, i was planning on doing something on the turn instead, should have gotten more in on the flop tho, it being so draw heavy and all, river is a clear cut fold too. i'm such a monkey [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
Poker Joker,
It seems like a lot of people are advocating playing 4-6 tables on an autopilot mode to build your bankroll back up. While I'm not knocking that, I know when I'm on a bad swing it really helps to concentrate on 1 or 2 tables, practice hand reading skills, really take the time to think about the hands. It makes me realize that I do like poker and it's fun, but not always fun when you've got 6 tables flashing in your face every 5 seconds. Just a thought. Good luck. |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
My situation similair, I'm down $1,700 my first week as a pro, was $3000 for a few days. In a lot of ways I wish I was four tabling $200NL instead of focusing on this one $600NL. Stupid party skins breaking up.
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
This thread sucks; you guys know there's a bad beat/variance forum now, right?
Seriously, move down, move up, do whatever the [censored] you want. Its your money and your game, why does this board care? |
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Why do you care that people care.
Variance is a hard thing to deal with, and it makes people tilt. Knowing other experience similair downswings helps. Also, there is no variance measure stickied for NL. I know what constitutes a big downswing for limit or SnGs, but not NL. At my low point I was down 6 buy-ins my first week after quiting my job and going pro. That isn't easy to swallow. If I didn't realize it wasn't so uncommon it would have really got to me. |
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If you went pro without a clear idea of what sorts of swings to expect, you made an egregious error. There is no content in this thread pertaining to the forum; its just an excuse for people to complain about how bad they've run. I expect better from mid-stakes players.
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
He put LC in the title. What is the big deal if he wants to posts this on the board the that he is comfortable with . No need to be so anal.
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This thread sucks; you guys know there's a bad beat/variance forum now, right? Seriously, move down, move up, do whatever the [censored] you want. Its your money and your game, why does this board care? [/ QUOTE ] I don't mind this stuff being posted. It keeps things in perspective for me. Strategy posts argue long and hard about tiny EV decisions but those are made completely irrelevent by one tilt session or time spent playing the wrong limit (too high or too low). I'm wondering if these issues are what the game is really about. Run of the mill variance posts don't have much value but the moving limits stuff can be. Anyway, I think it's useful for posters to have some general threads to say any random stuff that they need to be say. James |
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Why do you care that people care. Variance is a hard thing to deal with, and it makes people tilt. Knowing other experience similair downswings helps. Also, there is no variance measure stickied for NL. I know what constitutes a big downswing for limit or SnGs, but not NL. At my low point I was down 6 buy-ins my first week after quiting my job and going pro. That isn't easy to swallow. If I didn't realize it wasn't so uncommon it would have really got to me. [/ QUOTE ] i have gone through similar swings in 200 in begining. i found out that your post game is the cause of 95% of all this. playing KJ/AJ/SUITED connectors/1 gappers are the other 5%. my advice is to play with a bigger bankroll. u said u lost 10 buyins and then moved down. so u had about 18 buyins in 200nl to start with. all though thats technically fine. i suggest you play with a 50buyin + bankroll. you can play much more comfortably and optimally. thinking about the money sucks. also when i run bad in a game i switch to something else. then when i come back i find that i got much better. i personally switch between sngs/cash. i first reached 100nl in cash then switch to sngs and reached 55's then i went back to cash and reached 400nl, now im back in sngs hoping to reach the 215's. peeeeeez. bigger roll = more confidence. |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
Well, I didn't lose 10 buy ins, or move down. THink you're referring to OP.
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
I went pro with what was considerd an approriate bankroll for the level. I've been playing the game for months, but this is the first time I lost 6 buy ins. It probably wouldn't have bothered me if it wasn't the very first week I went pro, we'd all like to start on an upswing.
And as another person pointed out, if you have time to troll around thier thread then it really can't be bothering you too much. |
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Why do you care that people care. Variance is a hard thing to deal with, and it makes people tilt. Knowing other experience similair downswings helps. [/ QUOTE ] If you feel bad and need to hear about other people's downswings or something, you can read the beats, brags and variance forum. This thread does suck/is misplaced, really. |
Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
GL. It sucks. I know. I'm there right now too.
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Re: I\'m moving down (LC)
I don't mind this thread, especially since this forum is new, and makes others familiar with what people are going through.
I am surprised at the number of 200nl players who are going pro. |
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