I\'ve finally discovered the value in chip shuffling
 

The first step in fixing my problem is admitting I have a problem, so here I am; I admit I can't sit still and I need action at the table!

I always play online normally, so I never got really bored waiting for playable hands (with things going so fast). But I always seemed to loosen up at any B&M since it was either sit and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait... Or play marginal hands.

Of course you guys already knew this I'm sure, but I just discovered how calming it is to shuffle chips. I first started with 4, then 6, and next thing I knew I was making good folds for one more bet. Normally I would have just called because it was either that or sit bored until the next hand, but now I had the chips to return to, to pass my boredom.

I want to apologize to anyone that I thought was doing this just to show off. Now I understand.

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It's about time you apologized!

Thank you.

-ZEN

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There's a definite correlation between the fact that I can shuffle up to two stacks of ten in EACH HAND SIMULTANEOUSLY (depending how good the chips are for shuffling), and the fact that I'm basically tight as heck.

NOT a coincidence. I've spent way too much time in cardrooms. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

al

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Wow..two stacks of ten simultaneously...that's ridiculous.

I'm almost up to being able to do 8 and 8, but in my right hand only. You're right though that it helps to pass the time when you're doing a lot of folding. The only drawback I think is that it is more likely to clue people in to the fact that you're a good player when you first sit down at a table. So I tend to refrain from shuffling during the first couple of orbits in the hope that I'll pick up a big hand and the tight players will think I'm getting overaggressive with a marginal hand.

Also I find that if I'm shuffling for a few hours my hand starts to get a bit sore. Almost like the onset of carpel tunnel or something. I wonder if that's a problem for B&M rounders who shuffle chips for hours every day.

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Wow..two stacks of ten simultaneously...that's ridiculous.

I'm almost up to being able to do 8 and 8, but in my right hand only. You're right though that it helps to pass the time when you're doing a lot of folding. The only drawback I think is that it is more likely to clue people in to the fact that you're a good player when you first sit down at a table. So I tend to refrain from shuffling during the first couple of orbits in the hope that I'll pick up a big hand and the tight players will think I'm getting overaggressive with a marginal hand.

Also I find that if I'm shuffling for a few hours my hand starts to get a bit sore. Almost like the onset of carpel tunnel or something. I wonder if that's a problem for B&M rounders who shuffle chips for hours every day.

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I'm not a B&M rounder, but I pretend to be - and I stopped chip shuffling while back cause my right hand started to cramp up. I didn't think this was a good long-term habit.

I've moved onto other chip tricks that seem to put less strain on my hand. I like the drop-and-twirl one.

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I don't do other tricks because it's just too much... "I'm a friggin goddamn WPT watching schmuck who can't play or deal a lick but can do lots of stupid pet, err, chip tricks."

F*** that. I shuffle because I like to shuffle. I don't care what people think of it. I'm mostly TAG, unless my cards and circumstances wind up allowing me to dictate a different temporary image. Other than that, I'm fine with being labled as TAG. It gets the money. Screw the chip tricks on the side.

I have been shuffling for years, plus playing guitar, and typing my ass off constantly, and I don't have carpal tunnel yet.

al

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I don't do other tricks because it's just too much... "I'm a friggin goddamn WPT watching schmuck who can't play or deal a lick but can do lots of stupid pet, err, chip tricks."

F*** that. I shuffle because I like to shuffle. I don't care what people think of it. I'm mostly TAG, unless my cards and circumstances wind up allowing me to dictate a different temporary image. Other than that, I'm fine with being labled as TAG. It gets the money. Screw the chip tricks on the side.

I have been shuffling for years, plus playing guitar, and typing my ass off constantly, and I don't have carpal tunnel yet.

al

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Wow - you hate other chips tricks. I basically have to agree with you, and "advanced" chip tricks in general are kind of lame. I just picked up one to replace chip shuffling because I get bored easily and like to do something with my hands. U are lucky no hand strain.

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I basically have to agree with you, and "advanced" chip tricks in general are kind of lame.

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One thing that REALLY turned me off to "advanced" chip tricks was a dealer who practiced and practiced the "center chip drop-down and spin" trick, but who couldn't CUT CHIPS worth a DAMN, and couldn't deal worth a damn either, even after nearly A YEAR of dealing. Holy cow, work on what's IMPORTANT ALREADY, not some flashy bunch of bullpucky. I won't EVER learn that trick now, just on principle.

al

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Cool, I'm up to two stacks of 6 now. I've started noticing my hand gets a little sore, but I relate it to starting a new exercise, it's going to be sore at first.

My cheap and heavy chips and my hard table have kind of limited me to probably two stacks of 7 for now. As a result I've been forced to move to the carpet to practice with more... Actually a cool side effect, I don't need my index to start the shuffle on the carpet; I just push down on the outside edges. But I might have to start it with my index again as the stacks get taller and heavier.

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I basically have to agree with you, and "advanced" chip tricks in general are kind of lame.

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One thing that REALLY turned me off to "advanced" chip tricks was a dealer who practiced and practiced the "center chip drop-down and spin" trick, but who couldn't CUT CHIPS worth a DAMN, and couldn't deal worth a damn either, even after nearly A YEAR of dealing. Holy cow, work on what's IMPORTANT ALREADY, not some flashy bunch of bullpucky. I won't EVER learn that trick now, just on principle.

al

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Face it Al you don't do any other tricks because you have neither the dexterity nor mental capacity to learn. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hey by the way did you get my email at your work account?

Mike

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The first step in fixing my problem is admitting I have a problem, so here I am; I admit I can't sit still and I need action at the table!


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Have you considered props? Daniel Negreanu is a newly minted props addict.

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Partly because I'm not terribly co-ordinated (although I can juggle 3 objects), partly because I don't want to provide any reason to think I might be good, and partly because I'm lazy I don't shuffle.

In fact, the rare times I try it live, I usually end up looking goofy, so I guess that helps.

I used to look at chip shufflers/trickers and think "warning flag! be careful until you learn more." but now overwhelming experience has left me with "likely TV watching donkey. Exploit at will." [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The only chip trick I have completely mastered is the one where they disappear from my stack. This is usually accomplished by three betting into the nuts. Amazingly, it works every time.

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The only chip trick I have completely mastered is the one where they disappear from my stack. This is usually accomplished by three betting into the nuts. Amazingly, it works every time.

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Oh yea, that's an easy one. first trick I learned in fact.

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I can do the center drop and spin move because I sit in front of the computer for a few hours a day and play. I've actually gotten pretty good at it.

I feel really uncomfortable doing it at a B&M table because then I look like a tool who spends way too much time in a poker room and draws attention to myself. I prefer to not show skills that indicate a poorly spent youth when I'm trying to collect opponents chips.

If someone is showing off with their 'too many hours in a poker room' skills, I generally try to show how inept I am and outwardly marvel at their skill. It's been worth a few big bets for me.

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Yeah, I really didn't want to start for fear of looking like a tard or having the table think differently of me. But I think it's more -EV for me to get bored, so I didn't have much of a choice.

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I should start a chip trick class.