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Don't have the HH so I will post from memory. Villain is relativley LAGish with around 42/12/1.8 stats. He had been opening lots of pots but had never done anything so weird that I had taken a note on his postflop actions.

Effective stacks are around $240.

UTG limps, Villain (in MP1) raises to 7. Hero calls on button with 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB folds, BB calls and both limpers call.

Flop is K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Everyone checks to villain who pushes for about $230 into a $28 dollar pot and action is on Hero.

I really don't know if this is a call or fold. I think it is a call since he could easily have AK or air here. But his stats aren't that LAGish and I haven't seen him do anything really weird postflop until now.

Thanks for your help.

Jason

Edited for Preflop action, only 4 players in not 5.

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this is a WA/WB situation. he either has a big set or kq and making it look like its nothing or he has something like aa and doesnt want anyone to draw on him but hopes ak calls which id even fold ak to this bet so most likely unless hes a real donkey it may be wise to fold

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i would instacall here. i'm thinking that we're up against TPTK, not an overset.

.edit maybe even AA or lesser PP

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Isn't this what you wanted? Call. Strange way for him to get value out of top set, so I think he has something less threatening.

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I call. KQ, JT (OESD), AK, AQ, AA, or even K6s/Q6s!? seem more likely as a class of hands than JUST KK or QQ given your read.

You always have 2 outs if you're up against a higher set...

Although, to be completely honest, I would be extraordinarily unhappy as I typed "nh" into the chat box if he really did have the higher set.

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Isn't this what you wanted? Call. Strange way for him to get value out of top set, so I think he has something less threatening.

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Of course this is what I wanted. I am just incredibly confused by his huge overbet. it is so hard to put people on a hand when they make a standard 3.5 BB raise preflop and then push in 115 BB on the flop.

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InstaCall - it is very unlikely that the villian even saw the 6 on the board. No way he thinks he's up against a set. I put him on 2 pr at best.

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Call. I've never once seen someone at NL100-400 overbet huge into a a pot with something as premium as top set / middle set, especially on an uncoordinated board.

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My vote goes with call.

Has anyone here honestly laid down a set on a flop with no possible st8 or flush? Not me. This decision will not cost you money over time. Gaurenteed.

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Call. He has KQ. Too bad he hit a K on the river to beat you.

Seriously, this would really be a strange play with KK or QQ. A closer to normal sized bet (or a check) would make more sense in this spot if he had those hands. AA is possible, but that's a huge overbet as well. Really, I have no idea what he has.

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Call. He has KQ. Too bad he hit a K on the river to beat you.

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i'm guess this is a joke (sarcasm detector is in the shop)

would you mind showing us the actual results?

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Insta-call.

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You are playing over your bankroll is this isn't a no brainer call.

Some crazy snuck that extra no in there.

Easy call.

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You are playing over your bankroll is this isn't a no brainer no call.

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no brainer NO call?

you say this is a no brainer fold?

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He probably typed it out wrong. Easy call.

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Insta-call

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You always have 2 outs if you're up against a higher set...


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LOL

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He probably typed it out wrong. Easy call.

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i figured as much. just would like an explanation if he meant otherwise.

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Isn't this what you wanted? Call. Strange way for him to get value out of top set, so I think he has something less threatening.

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Of course this is what I wanted. I am just incredibly confused by his huge overbet. it is so hard to put people on a hand when they make a standard 3.5 BB raise preflop and then push in 115 BB on the flop.

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Misclicks and tilt happen. He could have been multi-tabling or not paying attention. For something this nutty I'm calling all the time.

Edit - If this was on Stars he may have been trying the over-reload trick figuring that everyone would fold.

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If i was you there Id have checked.



MDoranD

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Call. He has KQ. Too bad he hit a K on the river to beat you.

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i'm guess this is a joke (sarcasm detector is in the shop)

would you mind showing us the actual results?

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The "Call" was serious. The "He has KQ" was conjecture. The "Too bad..." part was a guess that this is why OP posted here, as if he should have folded to this overbet because though he's likely ahead, is he behind enough times (and villain can still draw out) where he shouldn't call this? Now that I think of it, villain might have AJ and spike a T on the river too.

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Call. He has KQ. Too bad he hit a K on the river to beat you.

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i'm guess this is a joke (sarcasm detector is in the shop)

would you mind showing us the actual results?

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The "Call" was serious. The "He has KQ" was conjecture. The "Too bad..." part was a guess that this is why OP posted here, as if he should have folded to this overbet because though he's likely ahead, is he behind enough times (and villain can still draw out) where he shouldn't call this? Now that I think of it, villain might have AJ and spike a T on the river too.

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hehe.. i should've specified! the sucking out with the K was what i was referring to.

sucks if he lost the hand like that

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I instacall. It's AA most of the time.

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I instacall. It's TJ most of the time.

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Some of the time, yeah, and I almost included that. But I think AA is more likely than TJ. They pull this random crap with AA all the time. Particularly on flops that are scary for them. "KQ!? Oh crap?! I push! Maybe they fold top set!"

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Some of the time, yeah, and I almost included that. But I think AA is more likely than TJ. They pull this random crap with AA all the time. Particularly on flops that are scary for them. "KQ!? Oh crap?! I push! Maybe they fold top set!"

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I've never seen this. Seriously, I think it depends on the player but I see this with TJ, AQ/JJ, AJ/AT. That's about it.

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I couldn't call fast enough. I never expected KK but thats what it was. Weird play by villain but he got my chips.

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I couldn't call fast enough. I never expected KK but thats what it was. Weird play by villain but he got my chips.

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ouch.. tough beat

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Cold deck, not tough beat.

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Cold deck, not tough beat.

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explain plz

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Hero was never ahead, from PF to river. That's not a tough beat, it's a "cold deck" in the sense that it's just an unavoidable situation in which you have a 2nd (or 3rd) best hand vs the nuts.

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He would have gotten your chips no matter what. Just a cold deck. Make a note on the guy, though, so you don't call this crap when you have 22.

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Hero was never ahead, from PF to river. That's not a tough beat, it's a "cold deck" in the sense that it's just an unavoidable situation in which you have a 2nd (or 3rd) best hand vs the nuts.

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ah I see. I always used the term tough beat for that situation. tough because it sucks - not bad like you were ahead at some point. thanks for the clarification.

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Call.

Edit: This stands even knowing the results.