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SomethingClever 08-31-2005 12:13 AM

Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
x-post from HUSH. Don't read the hand there though because the whole thing is posted.

Reads: Button is tight and of unknown aggression. Other players are pretty much donkeys.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero...

toss 08-31-2005 12:14 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
Raise.

Harv72b 08-31-2005 12:15 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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Raise.

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Entity 08-31-2005 12:15 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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Raise.

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cmwck 08-31-2005 12:19 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
Raise, buy button, make donkeys put more money into the pot.

SomethingClever 08-31-2005 12:20 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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Raise.

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Ok, easy.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero...

LImitPlayer 08-31-2005 12:21 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
easy raise

Entity 08-31-2005 12:22 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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Raise.

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This hand is easy so far.

SomethingClever 08-31-2005 12:23 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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Raise.

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This hand is easy so far.

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It is an easy hand, but there are 2 decisions that I think are somewhat close.

Are you talking about raising the flop here?

Harv72b 08-31-2005 12:23 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
If we knew Button was aggressive I might advocate some fancy play &amp; smooth call BB's bet, hoping to 3-bet a raise by the Button. But since we don't know his aggression level &amp; can't count on a raise if he has a big ace, let alone if he doesn't, I go ahead and get the raise in now.

toss 08-31-2005 12:25 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
I think I'm gonna go with call here. If we raise Button will either 3-bet and blow everyone out or fold. If we call Button may raise and we can 3-bet to get more bets into the pot with our TP + Flush draw.

Harv72b 08-31-2005 12:26 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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I think I'm gonna go with call here. If we raise Button will either 3-bet and blow everyone out or fold. If we call Button may raise and we can 3-bet to get more bets into the pot with our TP + Flush draw.

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Meh...it's 6max. They're probably not folding anything for 2 more bets that they'd call 1 more with. And they probably aren't folding anything for 1 more.

Shillx 08-31-2005 12:26 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
I could probably make a damn good argument for just calling on this flop (and I love to call) but I still raise here since we have too much equity to pass up a sure thing.

Brad

SomethingClever 08-31-2005 12:27 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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If we knew Button was aggressive I might advocate some fancy play &amp; smooth call BB's bet, hoping to 3-bet a raise by the Button. But since we don't know his aggression level &amp; can't count on a raise if he has a big ace, let alone if he doesn't, I go ahead and get the raise in now.

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See, this is what I was thinking. However....

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I think I'm gonna go with call here. If we raise Button will either 3-bet and blow everyone out or fold. If we call Button may raise and we can 3-bet to get more bets into the pot with our TP + Flush draw.

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A call/3-bet would be so sweet....

Entity 08-31-2005 12:29 AM

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Raise.

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This hand is easy so far.

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It is an easy hand, but there are 2 decisions that I think are somewhat close.

Are you talking about raising the flop here?

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Yes, I'm talking about raising the flop. You've got the best hand far too often and I don't think Button is slowing down if you raise and he has AK/AQ (he'll 3-bet usually), so this gives you a great chance of getting it capped with everyone tied the pot.

If this were live play and you could look to your left and see Button counting out the chips for a raise, well, I think you could go for a call-3bet. But I like the easy approach here.

Rob

cmwck 08-31-2005 12:30 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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I could probably make a damn good argument for just calling on this flop (and I love to call) but I still raise here since we have too much equity to pass up a sure thing.

Brad

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What do you think our equity is? I'd estimate 45-50%?

SomethingClever 08-31-2005 12:32 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
Ok, sounding like people like raising the flop. I think that's probably the best. With a better read, I like calling and 3-betting... but I didn't know if he'd be aggressive enough to raise when donked. Next decision.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets all-in ($3.35)</font>, Hero...

Entity 08-31-2005 12:34 AM

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I could probably make a damn good argument for just calling on this flop (and I love to call) but I still raise here since we have too much equity to pass up a sure thing.

Brad

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What do you think our equity is? I'd estimate 45-50%?

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About 55% 4-ways.

Rob

Shillx 08-31-2005 12:35 AM

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I could probably make a damn good argument for just calling on this flop (and I love to call) but I still raise here since we have too much equity to pass up a sure thing.

Brad

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What do you think our equity is? I'd estimate 45-50%?

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Yeah at least. I would figure about 50% in this spot.

Brad

Entity 08-31-2005 12:36 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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Ok, sounding like people like raising the flop. I think that's probably the best. With a better read, I like calling and 3-betting... but I didn't know if he'd be aggressive enough to raise when donked. Next decision.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets all-in ($3.35)</font>, Hero...

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Raise. You're going to get a chance to reraise when BB has a flush and 3-bets you (JsTs-ish), and he won't drop when he holds a lone [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] very often. He'll also rarely fold an Ace.

Rob

Harv72b 08-31-2005 12:59 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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He'll also rarely fold an Ace.

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I think UTG going all-in makes it more likely that he folds a weak ace on such a scary board, but I agree that he's usually got enough to find a reason to call the raise and sometimes enough to reraise.

Catt 08-31-2005 01:06 AM

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He'll also rarely fold an Ace.

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I think UTG going all-in makes it more likely that he folds a weak ace on such a scary board, but I agree that he's usually got enough to find a reason to call the raise and sometimes enough to reraise.

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I responded in HUSH before I saw this cross-posted thread, but I'll chime in to say that I'd be very surprised to see a guy who cool-calls 3 in the BB pre-flop and then leads an AQx FD flop into the PFR and 3-bettor fold the turn for little more than one turn bet here. I think a guy who plays pre-flop and flop the way he did is seeing a shodwon regardless, and I'd like to give him as good a chance to go to war as I can.

paperboyNC 08-31-2005 01:08 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
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Ok, sounding like people like raising the flop. I think that's probably the best. With a better read, I like calling and 3-betting... but I didn't know if he'd be aggressive enough to raise when donked. Next decision.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets all-in ($3.35)</font>, Hero...

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Keep raising and never let go.

bryan4967 08-31-2005 01:32 AM

Re: Play along A9s 3/6 6-max
 
any SOLID reason not to raise? [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]


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