I wanted to bet Ace high so badly, but alas, I am weak.
 

Pretty tight table so far, but not enough hands to have any definite reads.I actually hesitated on the turn and river, thinking I could either take the pot down or actually have some value with my ace high. Can anyone else bet in this spot?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (4 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (4 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4 BB

Re: I wanted to bet Ace high so badly, but alas, I am weak.
 

Bet the flop, bet the turn, check behind on the river.

Way to passive

Re: I wanted to bet Ace high so badly, but alas, I am weak.
 

While this could be a decent "standard" line against 1-2 opponents, into 3 opponents I think this loses money if you are called by all 3 on the flop.

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betting the flop is a must, if all three call, im probly still betting the turn, but may check depending on my reads, if anyone folds the flop, im definately betting turn and checking behind on river

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You still bet the turn if all 3 call? Even though the vast majority of the time you are behind and will get called by a better hand? There's no way you're ahead often enough in this situation to value bet. If someone bluffs into 3 players on the river and knocks you off the best hand, so be it, it won't happen often enough that checking the turn is a mistake.

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thats a good point, like i said i think the turn is read dependent, im really looking for someone to fold and to get a free showdown and if there the type to always take one off on the flop, im betting the turn, if not i think a check is fine, but if i can get someone to fold on the flop i am almost always betting turn

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..., but if i can get someone to fold on the flop i am almost always betting turn

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Can you explain the reason behind this? The one, who folds to the flop bet, has bad cards, but this doesn't affect the cards of the callers. Or is there some psychology behind this, which I don't know?

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basically its just a smaller field to get through, a lot of players will call on the flop and then fold to a turn bet, with only 2 opponents is more likely that noone has a good and than with 3 and if i check behind they are likely to bet anything into me on the river

also keep in mind that unless i have a strong read, im folding to a raise on the turn

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betting the flop is a must, if all three call, im probly still betting the turn

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This is not a good play against 3 other players.

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if anyone folds the flop, im definately betting turn

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A continuation bet here is also not good against 2 players who called your flop bet. Against 1 player who you have a good read on maybe, (very slim) but 2 players is throwing away money

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also keep in mind that unless i have a strong read, im folding to a raise on the turn

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What kind of read do you need to have to call A high against a turn raise with 3 people calling your flop bet.
Throw it away, you are beat

Re: I wanted to bet Ace high so badly, but alas, I am weak.
 

Blind continuation betting is a great way to go broke, newhizzle.

This flop is a clear check. 3 opponents in a decent sized pot, limited draws sure, but you'll be lucky to get it heads up on the turn.

The turn is more interesting. No one is showing interest in the pot. The board paired. I think the biggest key for me is if I can get the first guy to act behind me to fold. I find if he calls, usually the rest call. If I can get a few folds, the last to act guy gets worried it might be heads up. But we really don't want 4 on this river, where we have no chance of winning UI.

So the turn is a bet if you think the first 2 guys could fold. If they're calling fish, there's no point, we're better of taking the free showdown like you did.

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first of all the OP said that the table was pretty tight, other than to diamonds, this is a drawless board, if noone has a queen its definately possible that we can take the pot down with a continuation bet on the flop, and if not it will buy a free card on turn, but if i had bet the flop, i think i would be betting this turn since it dosent seem like anyone has a queen, i think that it is fairly likely that we have the best hand on the flop and i think it is worth a bet, i dont think im ever checking behind on this flop, thats just asking for someone to take the pot away from me somewhere, i always thought this was pretty standard

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You're throwing bets away in this pot betting into 3 people, tight or not.

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You're throwing bets away in this pot betting into 3 people, tight or not.

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i guess im off on this, but i think your throwing away pots when you dont bet, whats your move if you check, first to act bets turn and its folded to you, i dont think you can call and this is a bluff a lot from unknown 2/4 players

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i dont think you can call and this is a bluff a lot from unknown 2/4 players

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This sentence contradicts itself. If it's a bluff often enough that you make money by calling, call. If it's not, fold.

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i dont think you can call and this is a bluff a lot from unknown 2/4 players

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This sentence contradicts itself. If it's a bluff often enough that you make money by calling, call. If it's not, fold.

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you will often have to call two bets and i dont think it is a bluff often enough for that to be profitable, you can avoid this descision completely by betting the flop, depending on your read, inducing a bluff on the river and caling may be the right choice, but as ive said before i think we have enough fold equity and showdown value to bet if you can get someone to fold on the flop

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I lead this flop and turn 95% of the time, even with three callers. I don't know if it is a leak to bet into so many players with A high, but I mainly do it to reduce the field, and because many players will call a flop bet and fold on the turn.

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A flop bet when checked to is in order here. See who hangs around in the hand and take it from there in terms of your decisions on the turn and river. Use your position in the hand to your advantage ...

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You're throwing bets away in this pot betting into 3 people, tight or not.

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I think a flop bet takes this down the 1 in 7 times you need to make it profitable.

Add the chance that a call could be someone peeling one off before folding the turn, the chance you have the best hand and the chance you might improve - and I think this is an easy bet.

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You're throwing bets away in this pot betting into 3 people, tight or not.

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I think a flop bet takes this down the 1 in 7 times you need to make it profitable.

Add the chance that a call could be someone peeling one off before folding the turn, the chance you have the best hand and the chance you might improve - and I think this is an easy bet.

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throw in the possibility of getting a free river card, i think this bet is super easy.