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deadmoney98 08-02-2005 01:20 PM

Does anyone know anything?
 
Why?

lehighguy 08-02-2005 02:00 PM

Re: Does anyone know anything?
 
I answer other to all the above. Unless we are going to allow approximations.

If so, then I would consider the USSR and Maoist China communist. The US and UK are too mixed to classify.

deadmoney98 08-02-2005 02:12 PM

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I answer other to all the above. Unless we are going to allow approximations.


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I guess that was part of the reason I posted this poll. So many people on here seem to throw these words around without at all thinking about there practical applications. As if realizing the value of things like income tax and the minimum wage makes you some sort of insane pinko anti-capitalist bastard.

Basically I think it is funny when people use words like liberal and socialist as slurs when the Labour Party of GB (one of our staunchest allies, and a favorite of GWB) calls itself socialist.

mackthefork 08-02-2005 02:34 PM

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Basically I think it is funny when people use words like liberal and socialist as slurs when the Labour Party of GB (one of our staunchest allies, and a favorite of GWB) calls itself socialist.



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They may call themselves socialist but no one who isn't mentally unstable believes that.

Mack

lehighguy 08-02-2005 02:34 PM

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I'm having a debate with someone about the min wage. You are a pinko anti-capitalist if you support it. Only because its probably on of the stupidest policies ever enacted. It doesn't even achieve the objective its supposed too.

Taxes are a value judgement. Do you want a bigger pie or a more evenly divided pie. What is the optimal point on the laffer curve. Etc. Those are argueable.

However, min wage proponents are unabashidly stupid. I don't think they should be allowed to vote because thier too retarded.

DVaut1 08-02-2005 02:39 PM

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I'm having a debate with someone about the min wage. You are a pinko anti-capitalist if you support it. Only because its probably on of the stupidest policies ever enacted.

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Stupid is not = pinko anti-capitalist, which doesn't mean that pinko-anti capitalists can't be stupid, just that the two aren't synonyms - and when you use them as synonyms, I think you're proving the OPs point.

Bez 08-02-2005 06:40 PM

Re: Does anyone know anything?
 
I think the 'American right' is the biggest offender here. It seems many right wing posters label you lefty or communist if you claim capitalism isn't 100% perfect.

Being an English Conservative, I can't believe how some posters will automatically defend big business, however bad their conduct. It seems many get too caught up in the ideology, pure capitalism must be defended at all costs.

No political ideology will ever be the most effective way of solving ALL problems that may arise. Straying slightly from your general idoelogy shows an ability to think a situation through as opposed to deciding on your point of view before hand, then trying to 'prove' that you're correct.

trippin bily 08-02-2005 07:18 PM

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[/ QUOTE ] As if realizing the value of things like income tax and the minimum wage makes you some sort of insane pinko anti-capitalist bastard.



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BINGO !!
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner !!

FishHooks 08-02-2005 09:33 PM

Re: Does anyone know anything?
 
hahaha

deadmoney98 08-03-2005 12:14 AM

Re: Does anyone know anything?
 
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Basically I think it is funny when people use words like liberal and socialist as slurs when the Labour Party of GB (one of our staunchest allies, and a favorite of GWB) calls itself socialist.



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They may call themselves socialist but no one who isn't mentally unstable believes that.

Mack

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I was trying to make the greater point that people tend to overlook the nuances of language when trying to prove some politically charged point. For example lumping together every nation or person that may have some support for socialism or communism, and presenting that as evil.

Too often this forum turns into psuedo-intellectual McCarthyism with posters completely dismissing ideas with useless invective. Seriously, no matter how right wing you are you should be able to comprehend the possibility that some people might see the value of the minimum wage.

A thought... in a free market not everyone has equal power, yet most modern societies propagate equality as a virtue. Is everything they do to reconcile that situation socialist?

ACPlayer 08-03-2005 12:58 AM

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OK. So you applied a label of "Pinko anti-capitalist"to those who support minimum wage.

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I don't think they should be allowed to vote because thier too retarded.

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How do you label a person who believes that a group of people that dont agree with him should not be allowed to vote? Certainly not a democracy supporter, definitely not a socialist, not a "classic" liberal, not an American style Conservative, I am running out labels I can safely use. Any suggestions?

lehighguy 08-03-2005 01:27 PM

Re: Does anyone know anything?
 
I begrudgingly accept the fact that they can vote. Simply because to take away someone's right to vote causes problems.

However, I have no illusions they will add to the political process. Anyone stupid enough to support a min wage probably can't add two numbers or go to the bathroom by themselves. The idea that they pick our leaders is disheartening.

Mainly, I'm just mad at stupid people. As citizens we have responsibilities to be remotely knowledgeable about the issues we vote on. Voting is both a right and a priviledge with attached responsilities. Just as I think its amazingly retarded people don't want evolution taught in schools, its amazingly retarded someone would want a minimum wage. We aren't talking about an idealogical difference here. We aren't talking about what is an approriate level of taxation or what we can do for the enviorment. Those are value judgements. However, policies like the two I mentioned are simply retarded, there is no logical arguement for them. Anyone that supports them does so through sheer ignorance of simple facts and logic. Facts and logic that they as voting citizens have a responsibility to understand.

ACPlayer 08-04-2005 02:23 AM

Re: Does anyone know anything?
 
Well, it so happens that I begrudgingly accept the fact that you are allowed to vote. The world would probably be better off if economists never voted so we can form the society without their inputs. I actaully think only Computer Scientists should pick our leaders because we know what is better for the rest of the people.

It is a good thing that there are people of opposing views.

And thats the way it is.

Shaun 08-04-2005 02:30 AM

Re: Does anyone know anything?
 
Britain is a hybrid of socialism and capitalism, as is the US. China is moving toward capitalism but is still Communist, so it's a hybrid of sorts as well. The USSR was Communist.


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