AA
 

Okay so i don't like posting AA hands but i thought the turn was pretty interesting so here it is.

Party 2/4. UTG is a little loose and passive. MP2 is TAG.

Pre flop: UTG limps, folds to MP2 who raises, folds to me in the sb and i make it three with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], bb folds UTG calls two and MP2 calls.

Flop(3 players 10sb): K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
I bet, UTG raises, MP2 folds, i 3-bet, UTG caps and i call.

Turn(2 players 9bb): 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I?

Okay this card either really helps me or really hurts me but it certainly changed the way i planned on playing the turn. Bet out or check/raise and what is your plan if raised or 3-bet?

Re: AA
 

I can't see how this card really hurts you. I'd probably bet out and just call him down if he raises.

Re: AA
 

Unless he was overplaying A5 or something I don't see how the card hurt you. If he had a set other than 55 you were drawing to 2 outs anyway, if had 55 you were pretty screwed anyway. But I think KJ is a hand you'll see a lot here. I kind of like bet/calling down, as I really don't want 4 bets to go in before showdown.

I also considered calling and c/ring the river or something, but that seems too cute and besides he still might 3-bet KJ here, either b/c he thinks you have AK and still has you or b/c he doesn't realize AA has him beat here. So I'd bet/call down.

Re: AA
 

The only hands UTG could limp with that warrant this much action are KJ and 55, and I'm not about to put him on quads on the turn.

Yes, he could have K5 or J5, leaving you to two outs. More likely, he'll overplay his KJ. You shouldn't worry if he raises, but even though you're probably ahead, you have to guard against the event that you're not, slim as it might be.

Bet the turn and make it 3 if raised. If he caps, check/call an unimproved river.

Re: AA
 

Nice turn card. My bad, I mixed up the preflop action. I'd bet/3-bet.

Re: AA
 

What would UTG limp with and then cap the flop after these cards fall? You have to feel like he'd raise preflop with KK or JJ. My guess is he has a K but not two of them. He may have two pair, Ks and Js. Is he so loose he'd have K-5 or J-5? That's pretty loose from UTG. I guess he could have pocket 5s. Possible but not very likely.

I don't see how the turned 5 hurts you (though it may kill you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]), but I can see how it might help you, by giving you two pair.

I'd bet/3-bet the turn. If he 4-bets, call and check the river. I think the chances of you being ahead are great enough that you should be aggressive here, rather than going to c/c,c/c.

Edit: I don't think he'd bet the flop this way with A-5 for just bottom pair.

Just my $.02 worth...
bill

Re: AA
 

I wouldn't even put him on KJ. I'd think if he was just a little loose, I would think that with AKs or even AKo he'd be happy just getting in 3 bets before the flop. If he has AK he's waiting to hit and pick up a flush draw if he gets lucky. I'd put him on an AK and he thinks that nobody can beat his kicker. I'd think he has K's and 5's with the A after the turn.

Re: AA
 

What might UTG have here? He may have KJo in which case the 5 is really good for you, or he may have, KK, Kx, JJ, or 55, or J5 (how crazy loose/passive is he?). . . Since he is a passive, this guy capping the flop has something!

I would bet to gain info . . . if he is ahead he will most likely raise. If he has kings up (or worse) and the 5 didn't help him much, he will most likely call. (again, assuming he is passive).

If he calls you will probably win the hand. If he raises you probably lose . . . can you give some expamples/stats at to why you say he is loose/passive? (if he is super passive I would fold to a turn raise, otherwise I call down)

Re: AA
 

AK wouldn't limp before the flop, which is what UTG did.

UTG is the aggressor in this hand, not the pre-flop raiser. They're two different people.

Villian here doesn't have AK. Take that to the bank.

Re: AA
 

bet out, KJ will call you down.

If you just check, he might check KJ behind and you loose a bet. You cannot fold though, if you get raised on the turn, check call.

If you c/r and get 3-bet what do you do? Can you fold?

Re: AA
 

He could have KJ, but after he limps then cold calls 2 bets makes me think he more likely has AK and he thinks his kicker is good. Even if he has KJ the 5 takes you to the winners circle. I bet/3-bet the turn and probaly the same for the river. I see no reason to back down here I would be suprised to see him show K5 or J5 after calling the pre-flop raise and re-raise even if he is a loose.

Re: AA
 

You could very well be right, but I don't think it's out of the question that he could be limping UTG with AK since he is a passive player( I know someone who does this). I also find it hard to believe he would call a raise/re-raise with KJ but since he is loose this is possible. I would be shocked if it's not either AKo or KJs.

The turn and river
 

Turn(2 players 9bb): 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I bet, he raised, i 3-bet and he called.

River was a blank i bet and he called and MHIG.

I just felt that i overplayed the turn because folding was never an option IMO.

Re: AA
 

I think any line that involves folding sucks.

Re: AA
 

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AK wouldn't limp before the flop, which is what UTG did.

UTG is the aggressor in this hand, not the pre-flop raiser. They're two different people.

Villian here doesn't have AK. Take that to the bank.

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I agree i never considered this as part of his range. This guy was far from a fish he is raising AK here.

Re: The turn and river
 

I don't think you overplayed at all. You would know better from his VPIP and PFR if he would limp JJ, but I think he has AK/KJ a lot more often.

Re: The turn and river
 

The 5 is awesome for you as everyone else said. I think you did the right thing by bet-3betting.

Re: The turn and river
 

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River was a blank i bet and he called and MHIG.


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Did he show his hand?

Re: The turn and river
 

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River was a blank i bet and he called and MHIG.


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Did he show his hand?

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It was in the HH he had KJ off