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Here's some questions I had for the 2+2 Book Club. Your feedback on these questions would be very much appreciated. As far as the book selection goes I suggest we follow with WLLH for the benefit of those in the group who are newer players, unless there is overwhelming support for SSHE or another book.

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I think ITH would be a good next choice. New players could reasonably follow and it contains quite a bit of intermediate/advanced ideas scattered about. I think the hand examples really make the book shine for new players.

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I would suggest Miller's book. As many have either just read it recently, or are currently reading it, the material is fresh in players' minds. As well, from reading some of the posts from players who are not experiencing success after reading it, or are misunderstanding/misapplying some of the concepts, I think this book would be the logical choice.

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I would suggest Miller's book. As many have either just read it recently, or are currently reading it, the material is fresh in players' minds. As well, from reading some of the posts from players who are not experiencing success after reading it, or are misunderstanding/misapplying some of the concepts, I think this book would be the logical choice.

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The only problem with that I see is that there are so many beginning players doing this with us that a book like WLLH or ITH would be the much better next choice for them, and if we do SSHE we kinda leave them out in the cold because most of them wouldn't be ready for SSHE as it is supposed to be for experienced players.

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You are probably right, but how much more advanced is this than TOP?

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Cant say for sure, but a lot of the people were just reading TOP for their first time.

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I think ITH would be a good next choice.

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Second that.

Another idea would be to do the entire Clarkmeister rotation.

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I voted other for the Ciaffone/Reuben PL book.

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another vote for ITH. I'm just finishing it (my 1st poker book), and want to take another pass at it. If not ITH, then I'd prefer WLLH as a 2nd choice.

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I read WLLH, started HPFAP & TOP when I got SSH. Dropped back to ITH and am finding it to be a good choice for me with my limited experience. Where TOP brings stong concepts to beginners, ITH seems to go into more extensive examples amplifying the concepts in a more hands on approach. ITH would be my choice for the next book.

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I can't believe everyone is voting for SSHE. Do the beginning players not understand that this isn't a book for beginners? Do the people who aren't beginners not care if they leave the beginners behind on this one? Or did I think there were more beginners in this thing than there actually are?

Don't take offense to this, but with all the confusion over the first couple sections, which is pretty much basic stuff, I simply thought that probably about half the people participating in this thing were beginning players.

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ITH would be good. Reading it now and think I'd get a lot out discussing with other who are reading it also.

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I can't believe everyone is voting for SSHE. Do the beginning players not understand that this isn't a book for beginners? Do the people who aren't beginners not care if they leave the beginners behind on this one? Or did I think there were more beginners in this thing than there actually are?

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Then feel free to make an executive decision and go with the book that you feel would be best.

As evidenced by any election, the masses don't always know what is best.

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HI all,
I'm a noob to these boards and poker as well. However I have read both WLLH and have started on ITH and have to agree with everyone who has voted for ITH. It is very informative and the hand examples are great for beginners.

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I can't believe everyone is voting for SSHE. Do the beginning players not understand that this isn't a book for beginners? Do the people who aren't beginners not care if they leave the beginners behind on this one? Or did I think there were more beginners in this thing than there actually are?

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Probably a combination of all of the above, but especially the last one.

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Don't take offense to this, but with all the confusion over the first couple sections, which is pretty much basic stuff, I simply thought that probably about half the people participating in this thing were beginning players.

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I wouldn't consider everyone who misses some of the questions i've seen to be a beginner. The discussion ensuing on a lot of the threads doesn't look at all like it's among beginners.

The real question is whether beginners are following along on the discussion or feeling blown away. I'd encourage any beginning player who feels strongly one way or the other to post here or PM MEbenhoe.

DISCLAIMER: I was sick this past week and didn't participate as much as i wanted to, so i may be somewhat ignorant of the recent quality of discussion. I'm going by Chs. 1-4. And i haven't been playing poker that long so take everything i say with a grain of salt....

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Despite the poll, there does seem like a lot of interest in ITH. If & when you do ITH, I would hope for a slower pace. For noobs like me, 4-chapter chunks might be to much to digest at one time. It's actually quite a dense book. The chapter on 'Top Pair/Overpair' for post flop play is a doozy - probably enough there for one discussion thread by itself.

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I vote for ITH. Of course we will study SSH, but lets do it in order. Why study the graduate level text before the undergrad text?

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I think the lower rate of reponses for the chapter sections as we go deeper into TOP belies the poll results regarding the pace of the reading (polls are often wrong so this should not be surprising).

I, for one, have fallen behind. I think we need more off days for people who unfortunately have day jobs and need to catch up.

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I think the lower rate of reponses for the chapter sections as we go deeper into TOP belies the poll results regarding the pace of the reading (polls are often wrong so this should not be surprising).

I, for one, have fallen behind. I think we need more off days for people who unfortunately have day jobs and need to catch up.

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I second this, university started with a vengeance this semester. *grr*