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Here is a hand I played and my thoughts. Let me know if I am a moron:

5/10 NL 8-handed.
Aggressive opponent ($1300) opens in MP to $40. I ($950) call on the button with 66. Blinds fold.

Flop ($95): K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Opponent bets $80, I make it $240....

My thoughts. Opponent is the type to fire the second barrel here a lot if I just call. I might have the best hand and can stop him from hitting an overcard to my 6's. There are a lot of broadway gutshots he could have. He is not a lunatic and might fold hands like 99.

Stupid? Building a big pot with a marginal hand is horrible? Obvious I am weak because I probably might actually play a stronger hand more slowly?

Thanks,
tpir

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He is not a lunatic and might fold hands like 99.

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Might?

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Building a big pot with a marginal hand is horrible?

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You are not building a pot here,you are hoping to take it down.

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Feels like its better to just give up here and wait for a better spot.

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I'd say you need a pretty good reason to deviate from the standard bet/fold or check/fold here. I don't think you've got one.

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I'd say you need a pretty good reason to deviate from the standard bet/fold or check/fold here. I don't think you've got one.

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I don't think I get what you are saying.

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i like this play alot better with just one broadway card.

make it a Q82 type flop and I like it alot.

as it is, i think you prob. get called more than you would like to here.

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i like this play alot better with just one broadway card.

make it a Q82 type flop and I like it alot.

as it is, i think you prob. get called more than you would like to here.

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OK, the problem is that I would never play a hand like AQ like this. I am exploitable if someone catches on. It's either weakness or a monster.....and monsters are hard to come by. That can't be good.

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Well, against an opponent you know will make a continuation bet most of the of the time in this situation whether he misses or not, and you know he will lay down stuff like AT and 99 to your bet, this is a worthwhile move. If not, it's not.

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I am exploitable if someone catches on.

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This sounds like a problem....I'm not experienced enough to tell you exactly what to do to avoid being predictable, but taking different lines with standard, mundane hands is a good place to start I think....

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wait... do you play limit?

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wait... do you play limit?

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Yes. I do come from that background. Not sure if you are taking a jab at me but that is the answer to your question.

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I might have the best hand and can stop him from hitting an overcard to my 6's. There are a lot of broadway gutshots he could have. He is not a lunatic and might fold hands like 99.


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this hand has nothing to do with pot control... pot control is when you have a good hand and dont want to get blown off and would like to see a showdown... here your hand is almost worthless (its actually slightly better than 23 because of the rare times he will have QJs and call then checkcheclcheckcheck)
might fold 99, lol.... no he might fold AK.
dont worry too much about protecting fragile hands that may be best... it opens yourself up too much.

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this hand has nothing to do with pot control... pot control is when you have a good hand and dont want to get blown off and would like to see a showdown... here your hand is almost worthless (its actually slightly better than 23 because of the rare times he will have QJs and call then checkcheclcheckcheck)
might fold 99, lol.... no he might fold AK.
dont worry too much about protecting fragile hands that may be best... it opens yourself up too much.

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Thanks for the response. So are you saying I am overthinking my hand being the best and this is an easy fold?

I feel like if I fold by default in every single one of these marginal situations i am just going to get run over by certain players.

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being overrun is if you have AK in this hand and people are constantly making this raise vs you.

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hellacious when that starts

causes major tilt

great reason to make this play occassionally with "air"

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Here is a hand I played and my thoughts. Let me know if I am a moron:

5/10 NL 8-handed.
Aggressive opponent ($1300) opens in MP to $40. I ($950) call on the button with 66. Blinds fold.

Flop ($95): K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Opponent bets $80, I make it $240....

My thoughts. Opponent is the type to fire the second barrel here a lot if I just call. I might have the best hand and can stop him from hitting an overcard to my 6's. There are a lot of broadway gutshots he could have. He is not a lunatic and might fold hands like 99.

Stupid? Building a big pot with a marginal hand is horrible? Obvious I am weak because I probably might actually play a stronger hand more slowly?

Thanks,
tpir

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I dont like it. Its as if you decided, "i will force this hand." Anyway, if you're going to do this, dont do it against an aggressive players, pick some weak tightie who'll put you on a set and toss slick.

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Wait, people actually fold AK here? OK, I most definitely have a problem with being too loose post-flop thanks to my limit upbringing.