Eurobet says Party\'s charges were unilateral=> Skins didnt know?!
 

From Eurobet popup when I logged in.

"You may have noticed that a few changes have occurred to our poker product over the weekend. These are a result of our poker supplier, PartyGaming, unilaterally implementing certain technical and operational changes."

this leads me to believe that the skins didnt know???

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this leads me to believe that the skins didnt know???

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Why?

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this leads me to believe that the skins didnt know???

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Why?

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Try looking up the definition of unilateral...

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1. Of, on, relating to, involving, or affecting only one side: “a unilateral advantage in defense” (New Republic).
2. Performed or undertaken by only one side: unilateral disarmament.
3. Obligating only one of two or more parties, nations, or persons, as a contract or an agreement.
4. Emphasizing or recognizing only one side of a subject.
5. Having only one side.
6. Tracing the lineage of one parent only: a unilateral genealogy.
7. Botany. Having leaves, flowers, or other parts on one side only.


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Done. Now you try working on your reading comprehension.

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this leads me to believe that the skins didnt know???

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Why?

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Below is ALL Conjecture
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I'm guessing Party strongly believed that they were losing revenue to hardcore grinder players who played on skins instead of Party. And that most of these thousands-of-hands a week types would do all their play at Party if they could close off access to their more attractive player base somehow.

So their gaggle of lawyers pored over their skin contract and found a loophole. Party guaranteed the skins access to the XYZ poker network, but nowhere in the contract did it guarantee that Party's direct player base would be on the same network.

If these companies were all run in the USA, a legal fight and even a restraining order would probably be in the works TODAY, because I'm sure a lawyer could argue that the guarantee of Party's direct-players being on the network would be a reasonable assumption or an implied guarantee. Perhaps they have notes from conversations or e-mails to back this up.

But alas, these companies are not in the USA so who knows how any legal response might evolve.

Re: Eurobet says Party\'s charges were unilateral=> Skins didnt know?!
 

In the context unilateral was used here, it means that Party did all of the changes themselves, not that they didn't tell anyone.

however, the statement kind of implies that they didn't know.

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however, the statement kind of implies that they didn't know.

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It does not imply that at all; the use of the word 'unilateral' simply implies that Eurobet is pissed off about it.

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exactly.

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And none of those definitions could cause you to infer that the skins didn't know? Maybe YOUR reading comprehension needs some work.

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the tone of the whole statement, not just what was quoted in this thread implies that they didn't know. ie if they had known what was going to happen, their cashier wouldnt have broken.

again, not saying this is true, but I think that they do want people to think that they didn't know.

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Of course it COULD mean that. But to conclude that it DOES mean that or LIKELY means that is terrible reading comprehension. Period.

Unilateral means one-sided. A one-sided decision doesn't mean the skins weren't aware of it, it just means their input didn't go into the coutcome. The tone sounds much more like they tried to fight it, but couldn't prevent it.

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Regardless of whether they knew or not, the skins are not necesarily in a bad position.

From the looks of things they have between 8,000-12,000 active accounts. Say they lose another 25% once the dust settles and people are done migrating, so say 6,000-8,000.

This is not a bad place to start. If they actually start doing what they were supposed to do in the first place and market to NEW players, they could have a pretty decent medium to large size Poker room in a 6-12 months.

I did a big (for me) cashout from Eurobet as soon as I was able. However I left enough on the site to comfortably play a couple tables at a time, is the game selection warrants it (Which Sunday it did not).

So I really hope the skins pull it together. Perhaps following the Absolute model of aggressive marketing and frequent perks. Or even the PokerStars model of just simply a well run card room.

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Regardless of whether they knew or not, the skins are not necesarily in a bad position.

From the looks of things they have between 8,000-12,000 active accounts. Say they lose another 25% once the dust settles and people are done migrating, so say 6,000-8,000.

This is not a bad place to start. If they actually start doing what they were supposed to do in the first place and market to NEW players, they could have a pretty decent medium to large size Poker room in a 6-12 months.

I did a big (for me) cashout from Eurobet as soon as I was able. However I left enough on the site to comfortably play a couple tables at a time, is the game selection warrants it (Which Sunday it did not).

So I really hope the skins pull it together. Perhaps following the Absolute model of aggressive marketing and frequent perks. Or even the PokerStars model of just simply a well run card room.

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I believe they will lose much more than 25% once the dust setttles

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Regardless of whether they knew or not, the skins are not necesarily in a bad position.

From the looks of things they have between 8,000-12,000 active accounts. Say they lose another 25% once the dust settles and people are done migrating, so say 6,000-8,000.

This is not a bad place to start. If they actually start doing what they were supposed to do in the first place and market to NEW players, they could have a pretty decent medium to large size Poker room in a 6-12 months.

I did a big (for me) cashout from Eurobet as soon as I was able. However I left enough on the site to comfortably play a couple tables at a time, is the game selection warrants it (Which Sunday it did not).

So I really hope the skins pull it together. Perhaps following the Absolute model of aggressive marketing and frequent perks. Or even the PokerStars model of just simply a well run card room.

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Don't know about Empire, but there won't be anyone left on Eurobet.

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Regardless of whether they knew or not, the skins are not necesarily in a bad position.

From the looks of things they have between 8,000-12,000 active accounts. Say they lose another 25% once the dust settles and people are done migrating, so say 6,000-8,000.

This is not a bad place to start. If they actually start doing what they were supposed to do in the first place and market to NEW players, they could have a pretty decent medium to large size Poker room in a 6-12 months.

I did a big (for me) cashout from Eurobet as soon as I was able. However I left enough on the site to comfortably play a couple tables at a time, is the game selection warrants it (Which Sunday it did not).

So I really hope the skins pull it together. Perhaps following the Absolute model of aggressive marketing and frequent perks. Or even the PokerStars model of just simply a well run card room.

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Don't know about Empire, but there won't be anyone left on Eurobet.

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They are all still linked together. Unless they start shooting off, which I don't think any of them are big enough to do.

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Regardless of whether they knew or not, the skins are not necesarily in a bad position.

From the looks of things they have between 8,000-12,000 active accounts. Say they lose another 25% once the dust settles and people are done migrating, so say 6,000-8,000.

This is not a bad place to start. If they actually start doing what they were supposed to do in the first place and market to NEW players, they could have a pretty decent medium to large size Poker room in a 6-12 months.

I did a big (for me) cashout from Eurobet as soon as I was able. However I left enough on the site to comfortably play a couple tables at a time, is the game selection warrants it (Which Sunday it did not).

So I really hope the skins pull it together. Perhaps following the Absolute model of aggressive marketing and frequent perks. Or even the PokerStars model of just simply a well run card room.

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Don't know about Empire, but there won't be anyone left on Eurobet.

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They are all still linked together. Unless they start shooting off, which I don't think any of them are big enough to do.

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You don't understand. Eurobet doesn't care if there are players on the network that aren't coming through their site. I mean, it's nice, but those guys don't add anything to their revenue. What I'm saying is that all the people who currently play through Eurobet will leave.

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There is certainly a bitter undertone. Here's the complete text:

Notice

You may have noticed that a few changes have occurred to our poker product over the weekend. These are a result of our poker supplier, PartyGaming, unilaterally implementing certain technical and operational changes.

On the technical side, you may have experienced difficulties with the poker cashier during a period running from 5pm GMT on Saturday. The difficulties were a result of the system change being performed by PartyGaming and were, unfortunately, therefore completely beyond our control. We wish to stress that at no point was your account or the integrity of our poker product at any risk.

Everything is now back to normal. The main operational change you will notice is that we, together with PartyGaming's other skins, are now operating our poker product in a separate pool.

Finally we wish to thank you for your patience and understanding during this period.

Re: Eurobet says Party\'s charges were unilateral=> Skins didnt know?!
 

Of course the skins didn't know.