Simple situation
 

100nl 6max. Folded to player in mp, this player has raised 22% of their hands, but I only have 40 hands with this person. No other read besides this.

I have a 170 stack to start the hand, and villain has me covered.

So the villain raises to 4 dollars. Folds to me, I have AK on the button. I reraise to 12. Folds to villain, villain reraises to 25.

What is your play?

Im only curious about what you do from this point.

Re: Simple situation
 

Call, take a flop.

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Call, take a flop.

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Flop is KJ4. Villian bets 2/3 pot. Now what do you do?

AK against a someone who has 3-bet you preflop is a yucky situation. Unless I have a reason to believe I'm up against something besides AA/KK, I'm folding preflop. There are just too many ways to lose all your chips on the flop.

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Villain has a 22% pfr I think he was askin to see if he should try to take the lead here. Seems at least a call.

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I don't think you get it. You have massive negative implied odds. It's not even worth seeing the flop because any flop that looks good to you is potentially going to be your grave.

If he has AA and you flop an ace, you're in a world of hurt.
If he has AA and you flop a king, you're in trouble.
If he has KK and you flop a king, you're in trouble.

On the flop side, if you outflop him you're probably not going to win all that much unless he marries his 2nd pair.

This is not a good situation.

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Villain made it $13 more with a near $50 pot. I can't imagine laying it down here unless I specifically knew villain never 3-bet without a premo hand.

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Quoting myself:

"Unless I have a reason to believe I'm up against something besides AA/KK, I'm folding preflop."

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I'll quote the OP

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this player has raised 22% of their hands


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I'm not trying to fight with you here. I'm hoping that everyone understands the concept of negative implied odds in this situation.

Situations with high negative implied odds and low positive implied odds, especially when there is a lot of money in preflop, are very very bad.

Edit: My post originally said "raise does not mean re-raise."

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Your right it doesn't say anything about reraises here which is why I think taking a flop is the best play. Personally I couldn't lay down AK here when you seem to be getting good odds.

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I think calling is -EV. It's hard to get a situation after flop where there are easy to make decisions. Re-raise is completely different thing than a raise. Against AK, QQ-AA virtually every time.

His 22% p/f-raise doesn't mean anything here. You have seen 40 hands. Percentages are of no use. Simply ask a question: Does my opponent play badly? If the answer is yes, then take a shot.

Also call if you think it's really bad for your table image to let someone bully you out of the pot p/f. -> If folding makes others to play better against you.

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push or fold pf. If villan seems like an overall donkey Ill push here.

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Nothing good happens if you call.

Two times out of three you miss the flop. Villain bets into you, you have to fold. Villain checks, are you going to make a continuation bet and get close to pot committed?

One time out three you hit a A or K. If villain goes with you for your stack, sometimes you are ahead (AQ/QQ?), sometimes you split (AK), sometimes you are stacked (AA,KK)

Fold.

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I think hero can afford to see a flop if it's sooted since they are pretty deep stacked. Just my 2 cents.

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If his hand range for reraising is JJ+ you're going to be either a small underdog preflop or a big underdog.

Then without further reads there is the guessing games you play. Basically if you hit the flop and you can't take it down right there, you're not going to be happy. I'm folding AK here, i"m folding JJ here, maybe even QQ. All this UNLESS I have a very specific reason not to.

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I'm folding AK here, i"m folding JJ here, maybe even QQ. All this UNLESS I have a very specific reason not to.


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You're folding QQ and JJ for $12 more, when the relative stacks will be 150bb on the flop? I think you should call with any PP in this spot.

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I would call and see a flop. AK probably isn't the best hand to call this reraise with, but since villain has a PFR of 22%, you're a lot less likely to be up against AA/KK, and more likely to be up against something goofy like AQ.
All of this said, you have position and you are getting great pot odds. I almost never fold when I have position and someone min-reraises me preflop.

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Call and look at a flop, if he raised a little more preflop a fold is in order.

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I would call and see a flop. AK probably isn't the best hand to call this reraise with, but since villain has a PFR of 22%, you're a lot less likely to be up against AA/KK, and more likely to be up against something goofy like AQ.
All of this said, you have position and you are getting great pot odds. I almost never fold when I have position and someone min-reraises me preflop.

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Keep in mind his 22% PFR is based on an extremely small sample size (40 hands). I would not put too much faith in that number to justify a call here.

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I fold preflop. Unless there a total fish, its been my experience that a reraise or 3 bet Pf means aa-qq or ak

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Fold everytime unless he's a complete donk. You're gonna either lose your entire stack when you hit, or you'll win nothing additional. And remember, you only hit 1/3rd of the time.

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call is the worst of 3 options.

either push or fold.

I lean towards fold as preflop raise % says nothing about preflop non all in 3 bet %.