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Big_Jim 10-07-2005 12:21 AM

Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
Shorty has been playing pretty bad, he has been calling pot sized bets with draws, and has recently had some bad luck with that. Overall a pretty passive, loose player.

Villian has been playing well, winning a few big pots with premium hands. He has mixed up his starting standards a bit, throughout. He has been playing fairly aggressive, and has won some fairly big pots without showdown.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

CO ($378.70)
Button ($312.20)
Hero ($829.65)
BB <font color="#A500AF">(Shorty)</font> ($203.60)
UTG <font color="#A500AF">(Villian)</font> ($621.85)
MP ($272.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG <font color="#A500AF">(Villian)</font> raises to $14</font>, MP calls $14, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero (poster) calls $12, BB <font color="#A500AF">(Shorty)</font> calls $10.

Flop: ($56) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $45</font>, Shorty calls $45, Villian calls $45, MP folds.

Turn: ($191) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $150</font>, Shorty calls $144.60 (All-In), Villian calls $150.

River: ($635.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero ... ? Villian has about $400 behind.

Allinlife 10-07-2005 12:25 AM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
given your read, I don't see why check-folding this river isn't a viable option here.

Big_Jim 10-07-2005 02:04 AM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
What part of my read makes check/folding a good option?

10-07-2005 04:29 AM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
What range do you put him on? The pots nearly $650 so if you think you have him just put him all in.

Big_Jim 10-07-2005 02:53 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
What worse hand calls all-in, here?

HoldEmKillah 10-07-2005 03:15 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
Well it's tough to put him on a hand here but I don't think you can get away from this given the pot size and how much he has behind. Either check/call or bet $150-$200 whichever feels right.

soah 10-07-2005 03:44 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
It's tough for your opponent to call much on the end with anything you beat. He knows you're not bluffing into a $12 side pot.

Since he merely overcalled on that flop it's hard to think he has a straight or a set. And since he didn't go away after the big bet and call on the turn, you've got to believe he's got a big hand... a flush seems most likely.

If you make another bet of $150-200 on the river he will probably not raise you with a flush due to the paired board. Or, you could check and see how much he bets. As mentioned above, no one is going to bluff into a $12 side pot...

The correct move on the river really depends how strongly you feel about your read, and how well you feel you know his betting tendencies.

tdarko 10-07-2005 03:46 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
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What worse hand calls all-in, here?

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i don't see one that does. if you push and he calls he obviously had you all along with a higher flush or he filled on the river but you know this.

do you block bet here?

durrrr 10-07-2005 04:11 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
bet super small.. lik 125... hope he pays off... if he goes allin, puke

HoldEmKillah 10-07-2005 04:14 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
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If you make another bet of $150-200 on the river he will probably not raise you with a flush due to the paired board.

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Good point. This line is best methinks.

flawless_victory 10-07-2005 04:17 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
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bet super small.. like 125... hope he pays off... if he goes allin, throw your cards at the dealer, then throw your drink at the dealer.

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10-07-2005 04:53 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
i dont see a set smooth calling that flop too dangerous he might have an over flush or straight i think the best play is push maybe you get the over flush to fold or over call with a weaker hand

Big_Jim 10-07-2005 05:12 PM

Results
 
I bet all-in on the river... mostly thinking that the only hands that can call me are hands that beat mine, or a smaller flush. I hoped that I could maybe fold out a better flush.

Villian folded fairly quickly, saying that he flopped top two pair.

Shorty shows Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I win the $12 side pot.

Gregg777 10-07-2005 05:14 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
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i dont see a set smooth calling that flop too dangerous he might have an over flush or straight i think the best play is push maybe you get the over flush to fold or over call with a weaker hand

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With the size of the pot and what shorty has left after calling on the flop, villain checking a set isn't out of the question.

Hero bet out, and shorty doesn't have much left, if villain raises he is most likely getting called anyway, so he might have decided to see the turn before pushing.

Then with the flush on the turn hero bets and shorty calls, even if villain has a set, he isn't folding, and it is foolish to push.

So a set here isn't "impossible".

If villain isn't guaranteed to push a bluff or medium holding, checking and calling a reasonable bet, or folding to a push isn't horrible.

Edit: below added after OP posted results:

Plus you save money to a higher flush [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

soah 10-07-2005 05:19 PM

Re: Small Flush, Paired Board, Dry Side Pot: NL $400
 
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If you make another bet of $150-200 on the river he will probably not raise you with a flush due to the paired board.

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Good point. This line is best methinks.

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Well, nearly all other flushes beat yours, so I'm not sure how useful this is (except that you don't have to puke and fold to a raise). I guess what I didn't really state explicitly was that he won't raise with anything you can beat, and if you bet small enough there's at least some tiny chance of getting him to call if he happens to have some horribly botched overpair or something.


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